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Can you use a home alarm system (say ADT), without the monitoring?

Aims1111 129 January 23, 2009 at 09:16 AM
I am not sure if that makes sense. I just read a post somewhere that said that one can use an alarm system w/o the monitoring of the company (ADT). Basically the alarm will go off, but the company (of course) will not call the police.

My reason for asking is because in my County (Sacramento) they now require an Alarm permit. I had no idea. My husband set off the alarm by mistake, but that triggered ADT to notify the County that we have a security system. I got a bill for $50 to get a permit. I paid it, but now ADT wants us to sign a new contract with them because the bill still comes in my mother in laws name (husband was in Iraq when she set it up and I wasnt in the picture). This was years ago. I just pay the darn ADT bill every month, even though it comes in her name. ADT is making a BIG deal over this and I cant figure out why. They even want to come to the house to "test" the system, when they know perfectly well it works. I am wondering if over the years their contracts have changed and they want to add mroe crap in it and I have no idea what the hurry is to get us under a new contract.

Can anybody shed some light on why they might be pressuring us to get under contract ASAP? or if I can have my alarm w/o their service?

PS I also read somewhere that some companies can lock the system to prevent other companies from using it. I wonder if ours is one and that is why they want to come out to "test" it.
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well i would assume they want you to sign a new contract so you're "locked in" with them kind of like cellphone plans.
If you guys signed this contract a long time ago, you can cancel anytime without penalty. This is prob more them wanting to secure your business than anything else.
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Sacramento County will not issue a new permit in our name until we sign with ADT. It seems shady to me. I swear they are in bed together. In addition, when I mailed a check to Sac Cty for the $50 permit fee, they said the check had to come from my mother in law and in her name. I mean really, who cares where the money comes from.
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May be it's worth trying to threaten ADT that you'll switch to another Home Security company? We are using Brinks and I'm happy with them. And during an installation they put some extra equipment at no extra charge.
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Sacramento County will not issue a new permit in our name until we sign with ADT. It seems shady to me. I swear they are in bed together. In addition, when I mailed a check to Sac Cty for the $50 permit fee, they said the check had to come from my mother in law and in her name. I mean really, who cares where the money comes from.
Part of the problem is that if ADT calls Sacto for a 911 call and it's false, they can be liable for the bill, not you as you didn't call the Sheriffs office.

So if you sign the agreement with ADT, they can act as your agent and you pickup the liability of any false calls that they respond to.

Edit...the office was on Honeywell and that changed to HSN Security and now it's called something else...but I don't think you have to stick with ADT...and if you did, you'd want to cancel the existing contract and start a new one in your name, so you can administer it instead of your mom.

BTW...you don't have to have monitoring on your system, you can disconnect the phone line to it.
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BTW...you don't have to have monitoring on your system, you can disconnect the phone line to it.
See this is what I find stupid. Some of those houses have those stupid "My Home is protected by ADT" placards on their lawn. Well any smart burglar would just disconnect the phone line anyway and rob the sh*t out of the house. I'm guessing it has some kind of back up cellular unit placed somewhere..
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See this is what I find stupid. Some of those houses have those stupid "My Home is protected by ADT" placards on their lawn. Well any smart burglar would just disconnect the phone line anyway and rob the sh*t out of the house. I'm guessing it has some kind of back up cellular unit placed somewhere..

Then one of the cellular jamming units might be helpful.
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See this is what I find stupid. Some of those houses have those stupid "My Home is protected by ADT" placards on their lawn. Well any smart burglar would just disconnect the phone line anyway and rob the sh*t out of the house. I'm guessing it has some kind of back up cellular unit placed somewhere..
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Then one of the cellular jamming units might be helpful.
Besides having a cellular back up unit...they also have an RJ-48X jack...so that if you unplug the phone cable from the alarm, it sorts out and calls the alarm company.
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Besides having a cellular back up unit...they also have an RJ-48X jack...so that if you unplug the phone cable from the alarm, it sorts out and calls the alarm company.
RJ48X? Meaning..connecting to the internet some how? laugh out loud cut the cable lines then!
1.) Bring Cell phone signal blocker
2.) Cut phone/power line
3.) While cutting cable line
4.) Rob house Big Grin
..unless you mean something else..how else would it "call out" without some kind of external connection?
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RJ48X? Meaning..connecting to the internet some how? laugh out loud cut the cable lines then!
1.) Bring Cell phone signal blocker
2.) Cut phone/power line
3.) While cutting cable line
4.) Rob house Big Grin
..unless you mean something else..how else would it "call out" without some kind of external connection?
The X in the RJ are spring loaded to short out and complete a circuit back to the phone company.

It could be an RJ12x, etc...

But honestly...they will be in and out of your house in less then 5 min and that's usually quicker the the overall system can respond...alarm trips> alarm co gets the call> they call the cops> cops roll a car> cops arrive to find and empty house.
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See this is what I find stupid. Some of those houses have those stupid "My Home is protected by ADT" placards on their lawn. Well any smart burglar would just disconnect the phone line anyway and rob the sh*t out of the house. I'm guessing it has some kind of back up cellular unit placed somewhere..
You have to get the "tellular" system installed. It cost us $200 since we don't have a land line phone. But, I talked them in to 6 months free to offset that price. I use Guardian Protection.
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We have a Smarthome SecureLinc Wireless Home Security System [smarthome.com], that can be used with or w/o a monitoring company. While we don't use a monitoring company, the alarm will call up to 3 people, which can press in a code to deactivate it before it calls the local police dept.

Alarm calls are NOT priority calls, thus it could take up to 20 mins. for someone to respond. For this reason the neighbor across the street, who is always at home and 'sees just about everything', is one of the numbers the alarm will call first before calling the PD.

Here you are allowed 1 false alarm, then your residence is charged $50 for each additional false alarm. After 2 or 3 false alarms they will stop responding to your alarms! O.O
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Technically they can come diable it and take some of the equipment back, but my parents cancelled their service after having it for over 10 years, and of course by then all of the stuff was too old for them to bother coming to get back. It still works just fine, arms and disarms and makes noise when tripped, just no central office service and no cops come when it goes off. I doubt you can get one installed like that though. The cost of an alarm system is expensive, and is heavily subsidized when you buy it because you a) sign a contract and b) don't technically own the equipment, so even after the contract is up they can come get anything still of value that they want. If you're willing to pay a few thousand dollars though, I'm sure you can have something put together that's not connected to their central office.
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RJ48X? Meaning..connecting to the internet some how? laugh out loud cut the cable lines then!
1.) Bring Cell phone signal blocker
2.) Cut phone/power line
3.) While cutting cable line
4.) Rob house Big Grin
..unless you mean something else..how else would it "call out" without some kind of external connection?
Most burglaries are crimes on convenience, not plans to get into one specific house. The common burglar will move onto a less secure house. If someone is targeting your specific house, you probably want a much better system than ADT. It's a consumer level system for the masses, not a sophisticated system for the premier burglar.
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You can disable the call to your monitoring company yourself. It's a fairly simple process but you have to gather certain information first...which isn't simple.
Here's how:
Enter [installer code] + 800
Enter *41 [your own phone number] *
Enter *42 [your own phone number] *
Done. The system will attempt to call your number but it's not a monitoring station so it won't work but you get the alarm sound without the police.
The trick is getting the installer code. For my system I had to disconnect the transformer, then the battery, wait 30 seconds, reconnect both, and QUICKLY hit * and # simultaneously until you see '20' or '00', hit #20. The system will then display the installer code one digit at a time.
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