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finding one year old craigslist ads

RUsum1 1,640 November 12, 2009 at 08:35 PM
is there a way to find a craigslist ad that was posted over a year ago. i may have to take my former roommate to court in order to get my refundable security deposit back and i'm wanting all the evidence i can get. i am wanting to find the ad where he listed the room as $400 per month because just now he claimed he advertised the place as $550 per month but cut me a break. i tried to tell him that i set the max on the search to $500 so it would have been impossible for me to have even seen his advertisement if that were the case.
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Quote from RUsum1 View Post :
is there a way to find a craigslist ad that was posted over a year ago. i may have to take my former roommate to court in order to get my refundable security deposit back and i'm wanting all the evidence i can get. i am wanting to find the ad where he listed the room as $400 per month because just now he claimed he advertised the place as $550 per month but cut me a break. i tried to tell him that i set the max on the search to $500 so it would have been impossible for me to have even seen his advertisement if that were the case.
Have you tried Googling the terms? Google does cache a number of websites... With a *LOT* of luck, perhaps the one in question will come up. Beyond that, some folks report the original poster can see it (if it was posted with an account), but others cannot (on Craigslist itself).

Good luck.
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even if the guy "gave you a break" to $400. that lower amount is what should hold-up in court (especially if he admits that he did give you a "deal"). if you've got a paper trail (e.g. cancelled checks) to prove that's the amount you've been paying the whole time, that will be the case winner, as it sounds like this was a simple verbal agreement (which may be legally binding, you'd have to consult with a local lawyer). if not, then it becomes a 'their word against yours' deal.

why would your roommate hold *your* security deposit? was he *also* the landlord (i.e. property owner) or just another tenant?

Quote from zodiac711 View Post :
Have you tried Googling the terms? Google does cache a number of websites... With a *LOT* of luck, perhaps the one in question will come up. Beyond that, some folks report the original poster can see it (if it was posted with an account), but others cannot (on Craigslist itself).

Good luck.
craigslist page source contains...

Code:
<meta name="robots" content="NOARCHIVE,NOFOLLOW">
so google and other sites that honor such directives will not cache them.


finding a copy of a year-old craigslist ad is gonna be about as impossible as impossible gets. craigslist may keep archives, i dunno, but they'd probably want a subpoena or court order before providing anything.
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good luck. here they allow up to double the amount of a deposit when they hold a deposit for no valid reason. why is he refusing to refund it?
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the roommate is the one who owned the house. i was just renting a room from him. he is claiming i am two months past for utilities. here is how he explains it to me:

i moved out at the end of october. i paid him at the beginning of october which included the utility bills that he got in the middle of september which were charged for the month of august. therefor, it is impossible that i paid for september or october. what he can't get through his head is that for the first two months of me living there, i paid $150 and $160 for utilities which therefor were not my responsibility since those two were for the months of september and october 2008 when i was not living there. he insists i did not overpay and that i'm trying to con him.

the whole thing is amazing to me considering for the last three or four months, i have been living with my girlfriend but still paying him rent (my contract was for one year) and giving him money for utilities which i am in no way effecting. he did allow me to pay only about $115 since i am never there. he is reckless with the air conditioning and with leaving lights on so i would make special trips home to turn off stuff that he left on and to raise the air conditioner from 68 to 74 just to help with my bills. i would keep the electric bill at around $150 (would be lower if he didn't go behind me and change the AC back to 68 and stuff) but after he agreed to let me pay less, i stopped going back home. the last three electric bills have all been over $200 with one less person being home...and i'm trying to jip him?

if i do have to take him to court, i am of course going to increase the amount that i sue for because it will cause me to miss a day of work plus there will be court costs. i will have to include those in my case.
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the roommate is the one who owned the house. i was just renting a room from him. he is claiming i am two months past for utilities.

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if i do have to take him to court, i am of course going to increase the amount that i sue for because it will cause me to miss a day of work plus there will be court costs. i will have to include those in my case.
Sounds right, so go for it, but tell him upfront that if you win in court you will also be including the lost day at work and court costs. That my change his mind. Don't forget interest too!
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i moved out at the end of october.
Unless you have a written agreement of some sort or some sort of correspondence (check your e-mails) which indicate that you should go above and beyond your duty as a tenant, your obligation to pay this guy any money ceased as soon as you moved out.

That being said, if there was some agreement set up between him and you, you do have an obligation to pay your share (whatever that may be) of the bills while you were technically a resident there (even if you didn't spend that much time there).

As such, the landlord has every right to take monies you didn't pay him from your security deposit. It also doesn't matter that you paid for bills a year prior that you had no obligation to pay. You should have been up front about this to him that asking you to pay for the bills from Sept/Oct 2008 when you didn't live there is wrong and that you won't pay them.

Now, the amount of money you'll get from your land lord depends on how your local laws view lessor/tenant contracts. Some areas are more favorable than others. If you had no agreement, you essentially gave him money on his word and his word may not be worth a whole lot.

In the end, it may not be worth the time/effort to get back a couple hundred bucks. Take this as a learning experience to always put everything in writing.
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Oh and don't give any keys back until you get your deposit back.
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Craigslist postings automatically expire after 90 days iirc. In the future if you want a backup of what an ad says, use the email this to a friend function and enter your email. This would actually fair better in court than a printed or pdf copy because the message header would show it was from craigslist and would be much harder to tamper with.

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Oh and don't give any keys back until you get your deposit back.
In most areas this would be illegal or would constitute holdover and would allow the landlord to charge you a pretty hefty daily rate and/or evict you if you did this. Landlords often have 30-60 days before they have to return your deposit.
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Craigslist postings automatically expire after 90 days iirc. In the future if you want a backup of what an ad says, use the email this to a friend function and enter your email.



In most areas this would be illegal. Landlords often have 30-60 days before they have to return your deposit.
Keys can be LOST.
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Keys can be LOST.
Then you're basically forfeiting costs for the landlord to change the locks (they should do it anyway, but often don't) from your deposit. Your loss.
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Then you're basically forfeiting costs for the landlord to change the locks (they should do it anyway, but often don't) from your deposit. Your loss.
Well if the OP loses then the landlord will have to spend the OP's deposit/utility money on new locks. Thus, the landlord won't be profiting anything by keeping the OP's deposit/utility money.
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Unless you have a written agreement of some sort or some sort of correspondence (check your e-mails) which indicate that you should go above and beyond your duty as a tenant, your obligation to pay this guy any money ceased as soon as you moved out.

That being said, if there was some agreement set up between him and you, you do have an obligation to pay your share (whatever that may be) of the bills while you were technically a resident there (even if you didn't spend that much time there).
i tried to tell him this. the first month i paid $150 above the rent and the second month was $160 above the rent. technically, those utility bills were for the two months before i started living there.

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As such, the landlord has every right to take monies you didn't pay him from your security deposit. It also doesn't matter that you paid for bills a year prior that you had no obligation to pay. You should have been up front about this to him that asking you to pay for the bills from Sept/Oct 2008 when you didn't live there is wrong and that you won't pay them.

Now, the amount of money you'll get from your land lord depends on how your local laws view lessor/tenant contracts. Some areas are more favorable than others. If you had no agreement, you essentially gave him money on his word and his word may not be worth a whole lot.

In the end, it may not be worth the time/effort to get back a couple hundred bucks. Take this as a learning experience to always put everything in writing.
there was a contract but i am not even sure he still has it. but are you telling me that since i paid for utilities at the beginning of my stay, i'm just out of luck for those and still owe for the two months that i was there?

and i'm not out to "get" this guy. i would rather not go to court and just get my $250 from him. he hasn't asked for the key and i would gladly give it back when i get the security deposit returned.

i also talked with the third roommate who lived with us for about three months and found out (according to him) that he too did not get his deposit back for some reason. that guy called the landlord's mother after the landlord wouldn't return calls for two months and the mother gave the security deposit to the roommate. so it seems to be a trend for this guy which i didn't know.
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call his mom is my answer.
you might be pushing your luck in court. you may end up owing him money. did you give him written notice your were moving out?
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call his mom is my answer.
you might be pushing your luck in court. you may end up owing him money. did you give him written notice your were moving out?
I was wondering about that earlier too, but didn't say anything - was distracted buy other chatter. As a renter you have to give at least 30 days notice that you are moving out, else the landlord can keep billing you. Though I'm not sure how that works, since you didn't have a contract. What you might want to do is send him a registered letter that he has to sign for, thus giving you proof that he received it, that you officially moved out on X date. If you go to court they might say he can still bill you for 30 days after the letter.
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