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Last Edited by LifeStyl3r November 15, 2009 at 06:22 AM
Officedepot [officedepot.com] has the MSI A5000-025US 15.6" Laptop for $320 In-Store Only.

This Ebay page [ebay.com] has the best information I can find.[/B]


Specifications
# Intel® Celeron T3000 processor 1.8GHz
# 15.6" WXGA widescreen LCD (1366 x 768 resolution)
# 3 GB DDR2 memory (2 Dimm)
# 250GB hard drive capacity
# Supermulti DVD-RW optical drive
# 802.11b/g/n WLAN
# 1.3 megapixel webcam
# Nvidia GeForce 8200M-G video graphics
# HD audio with 2 speakers
# HDMI port
# 3 USB 2.0 ports
# 4-in-1 card reader
# PCI Express slot
# VGA port
# 103-key keyboard
# 65-watt AC adapter
# 6 cell battery
# Windows 7 Home Premium

* Dimensions: 13.66" x 9.68" x 1.4"
* Unit Weight: 5.24 lbs.

Product Warranty:

* 3 year limited warranty.

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Last Edited by Jrav March 15, 2012 at 06:30 PM
BIOS with overclock options/ ctrl-fn swap updated to latest version (X.0T) released 2010-07-26:
http://www.mediafire.com/?bb82vxyu1nepwyo

MSI A5000, and A6000 are based upon the MSI 1683 "Whitebook".

A5000 , A6000 series uses the same motherboard as the 1683 "Whitebook".
A5000 =11-2009 (2010) model=Win7, aka CR500 = Vista 2009 model?

http://www.msiwhitebook.com/produ...S-1683-ID1

Information supplied by Warner from MSI USA:

Vista = Win7
U210 = L2100 (1241)
CR600 = A6000 (1683)
CR500 = A5000 (1683)
CR400 = A4000 (1451)
CX600 = A6005 (1682)
http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=133088.0

Link to A5000-025US product page on MSI.com = as of 2011-06 I can't find it,Mad typing A5000, A5000-025US does not bring up any hits for me... EEK! (This is not a good sign...I hate companies that once product is superseded you get "Nothing found" when you type in a model number. Typing in A5000-025US should bring up product page- Link to latest bios, drivers. (Tip search for CR500)

EDIT: Found the product page by GOOGLING some more, Google rolled me over to my own posts on Slickdeals in which I had posted links to the product pages for the unit! MSI really needs to update their search engine so it searches all divisions when a model number is typed in. IIRC there are several divisions of MSI and they don't link /forward info between them.
http://www.msimobile.com/level3_p...d=9&id=157

15" ~ 16" (Discontinued) > A5000-025US
Product Number: 9S7-168344-025


Drivers, Bios, manuals: Link on above page rolls over to CR500...
http://www.msi.com/product/nb/CR5...div=Driver

Assemble, disassemble VIDEOS, and PDF's of CR600: (sister unit to A5000)
http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=132295.0

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Windows 7 x64 =

MSI does not "do "x64, all systems, even ones with 4GB are shipped with 32-bit OS.

Search for posts by Hurt777 - he has a walk thru on installing Win7 x64

EDIT: It appears that x64 drivers are listed now: http://www.msi.com/product/nb/CR5...=Win7%2064

TIP: MSI sources parts from several vendors: Run a app like Belarc Advisor to find out what is in your unit.

Support: Long term impressions

Long term impressions of the unit is good- abit right now I have a problem in which the unit will not come out of sleep mode via any attached USB device due to BIOS is hard-coded to stop monitoring USB ports in Sleep mode.

Post 1199
Can't wake from S3 sleep mode from USB Mouse, keyboard, ehome Infrared Receiver (USBCIR)
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=40132411&postcount=1199

Anyone has any info, feel free to post...



MSI sites are tricky to navigate, links go dead:
As I mentioned above about a year and 1/2 after purchase I can't find support pages. Links previously post here are getting 404 errors.

MSI has a forum board .
MSI really needs to do some spring cleaning so to speak- Get some of their tech's posting over there.
- I'd rate it about a 3 out of 10.

What to expect when posting on the MSI forum board:

1: There are more mods than users.
2: If you post anything about x64, BAS (mod) is sure to post his boiler plate response there is no need to run x64, 32 is faster.
3: Mods to post "We don't work for MSI" if you ask a hard question.... if you get a response at all.
4: Most threads lead to a dead end, with the boiler plate "contact MSI support for hard issues".

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RECOVERY DISCS- WARNING, MSI ships product without testing what they sell.

Update the SATA DRIVERS ASAP before you burn the recovery discs ! (Disc burn will fail, or discs will burn but won't work
http://www.msi.com/index.php?func...aq_no=2134
(Crap-ola - 404 error.... What the FAQ, link to the files needed to update the SATA drivers for the burner said there was there was a LARGE number of units affected over several product lines- in which end users would burn the recovery discs only to find out "later" the discs were no good.
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Potential of T3000 CPU

The A5000 is powered by a Intel 1.8 GHz Dual Core Celeron processor. This processor (ranked #98, according to Notebookcheck.com benchmarks [notebookcheck.net], beats the M500 AMD II Processor (rank #99).
You can check out http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php to look at how it compares with others.

T3000 vs Pentium Dual Core T4200. Both are 45 nm "penryn" Core 2 Duo derivatives, with 1MB cache vs. 2MB in the C2D T6500.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inte...al-core.29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...45_nm.29_2

OVERCLOCKING:

A5000/A6000's based upon the MSI-1683 are GOOD OVERCLOCKERS with SVET's modded bios.
Search for posts by SVET (On MSI forum) , Hurtz777 for a detailed step by step overclocking guide.)


Sister units
As stated previously the 1683 motherboard is used on the 5000, and 6000 series. Same motherboard is used on various models.
This laptop is essentially the same as the MSI A5000-026US Notebook that was sold thru Circuit City.

This deal compared to the popular Acer Extensa 5230 a few days ago (2009-11?).

MSI has a Intel Celeron T3000 1.8GHz Processor (rank #98 on Notebookcheck.com benchmarks [notebookcheck.net]) vs the Celeron 900 2.2GHz ranked #181 on the same benchmark test. +1 MSI.
Screen resolution is different because one is 15.6" while the other is 15.4".
3GB DDR2 vs 2GB DDR2 memory. +1 MSI.
250GB HDD vs 160GB HDD. +1 MSI.
MSI Has HDMI. +1 MSI.
MSI has a 4-in1 card reader. +1 MSI.
Acer has 64-bit Win 7. +1 Acer.

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#811
straight bios OC... performance tool is uninstalled as of right now.... tried to take my ram to 884mhz but wont post. might try for another 1-2mhz in morning, but i think this is it....

I have 1x stock 2gb stick, and a OCZ cas 5 2gb stick, i have another pqi cas5 2gb stick coming in soon so i might be able to get to 950mhz or so in ram. cant wait for my t9300 Smilie too bad we cant bump up cpu vcore... i dont mind modding the case for another fan or making heatsinks
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Svet's modified A5000 BIOS has unlocked all important performance options including memory clock speed, CPU FSB, GPU Memory Share Size from 32MB-512MB(Called Svet's FB), and it also reverses the function of the Fn and Ctrl keys making it much easier for faster typing if you are used to Ctrl key being on the lower right of keyboard. I have found this BIOS to be extremely stable when overclocked and would highly recommend everyone who wants even one of these changes to flash to it. I am listing the exact steps below on how to upgrade to this BIOS and overclock safely with it.
1.) Download Svet's Modified A5000 BIOS from http://www.mediafire.com/?czm4fjm3ytj .
2.) Download the official MSIHQ USB Flash Tool 1.18t installer in rar form from http://www.mediafire.com/file/0oy5mzmiijq/MSIHQ Tool 1.18t Installer.rar .
3.) Extract rar file and run the installer to install. Plug your USB flash drive in and make sure there is no data you need on it because it will be destroyed. Also make sure you have your AC adapter plugged in at all times during the BIOS flashing process or it won't run. Run the USB Flash Tool and clock OK on the first prompt that shows your BIOS and hardware info. Choose the "Fix my USB Key" option and follow the prompts to let the tool prepare your USB drive. Type the letter of you USB drive and then enter and let the tool do it's thing. After the tool is done restart the tool and choose the "Point to MSI BIOS archive" and choose RAR file type on the dropdown and browse to the A5000vBKM.rar file. At the DOS prompt enter your USB drive letter and hit enter and let the tool copy all the BIOS flash tools and files until it says it has completed.
4.) Reboot notebook and at POST tap F11 key and boot from your USB flash drive. Follow all the prompts until it says that the BIOS has been successfully flashed. Turn off notebook at this time. Take out the battery and unplug notebook for at least 10 secs or so. Reinstall battery and plug in AC adapter and power up notebook. On the first power on it should give you a CMOS checksum error. Press F1 to enter BIOS setup and then "Load Setup Defaults" in BIOS and hit F10 to save and exit.
5.) Enter BIOS setup again by pressing DEL key, change SYSTEM CLOCK MODE to UNLINKED, change FSB to 1000Mhz, and change the MEMORY CLOCK to 800Mhz. Leave MEMORY TIMINGS on AUTO unless you want to manually adjust the timing tighter which could limit you MAX MEMORY CLOCK.
6.) You can also change your VGA Memory Share Size by going to "Svets FB Size" option and choose between 32MB-512MB. I would recommend at least 256MB or higher for MAX performance. Hit F10 to save and exit.
7.) See if notebook will POST @ 1000FSB, boot into Windows and run WEI and see if it completes. If it completes reboot and adjust FSB up by 12Mhz(27Mhz CPU Speed) increments, then save and repeat booting Windows and running WEI until it completes. Once you have reached a FSB that won't boot Windows or complete WEI back the FSB down by 4Mhz(9Mhz CPU Speed) and try again. If your lucky your MAX FSB should be around 1200Mhz giving you 2.7Ghz or a 50% OC! If your notebook doesn't POST @ 1000FSB then you will need to remove backplate and then CMOS Battery. Wait a few seconds and then install CMOS Battery and power notebook back on and it will have cleared CMOS, loaded system defaults, and it will show a CMOS Checksum Error. Lower FSB down by 12Mhz(27Mhz Speed) until notebook will POST and then make sure it will boot Windows and run a full WEI test.
8.) Once you have found your MAX stable FSB you can now overclock your MEMORY CLOCK over it's rated 800Mhz stock speed. I just found out that since the GPU allocates your system memory, the GPU MEMORY CLOCK is rated at whatever your current system MEMORY CLOCK speed is. This means that your GPU memory clock and bandwidth will benefit from you overclocking your MEMORY CLOCK speed in BIOS. Unfortunately GPU core clock is locked via chipset which makes Nvidia System Tools worthless now that BIOS OC is working flawless. You will need to test your RAM's stability while overclocked by using MEMTEST86+ V4.0. You can download MEMTEST86+ V4.0 from http://www.memtest.org/download/4...00.iso.zip . Unzip the zip and burn ISO to CD-R using Windows Disc Image Burner or Imgburn. Adjust your MEMORY CLOCK up while watching the TARGET MEMORY SPEED. You will notice that as you raise the MEMORY CLOCK the TARGET MEMORY SPEED only matches your MEMORY CLOCK SPEED every 7-20Mhz increment. Find the first increment after 800Mhz where MEMORY CLOCK and TARGET MEMORY SPEED match and save to BIOS. Next boot from the Memtest CD by typing F11 and choosing DVD Drive and type the letter C then 1 then 3 then 5 then 0 to run Test#5 which is quick and pretty accurate on RAM stabilility. If it passes 1 pass then press ESC to reboot, re-enter BIOS and increase MEMORY CLOCK up to the next increment where MEMORY CLOCK and MEMORY TARGET SPEED match and save to BIOS and boot Memtest and repeat this process until Memtest shows red errors,artifacts,reboots, or freezes. Once it shows red errors or artifacts back the MEMORY CLOCK down to the last increment where MEMORY CLOCK and TARGET MEMORY SPEED matched and it previously passed Memtest. This will be your MAX stable MEMORY CLOCK as long as Windows boots and Prime95 will run for at least an hour. If Prime95 errors out you will need to lower your MEMORY CLOCK back down to the last stable increment and retry Prime95 until it passes for at least an hour. You should find your MAX MEMORY CLOCK to be around 860Mhz to 900Mhz.
9.) After you have found your MAX stable FSB and MEMORY CLOCK SPEED I would recommend running Prime95 Torture Test for at least an hour or so. You can download Prime95 from http://majorgeeks.com/downloadget...9a0c02444e . Just extract the zip file and run it. Once it is open click on "Just Stress Testing" button and then run "In-place Large FFTs" by clicking the dot by it and hitting OK. If it runs for an hour or longer with no errors your system should be stable. If Prime95 errors out or system freezes or reboots then lower your FSB 12Mhz(27Mhz CPU Speed) and try again. You might even need to lower your MEMORY CLOCK to the last increment to get Prime95 stable.

If all goes well notebook should post and now show the overclocked CPU speed in Computer Properties in Win7! Remember if your notebook doesn't post you will have to remove the backplate and then remove CMOS battery for a minute or so to clear CMOS back to default. I hope this guide helps some of you newbies get the max out of this little gem. Please post you maximum stable overclock using this method as well as the highest RAM speed you were able to get your stock CAS 6 Samsung sticks to run at. Also post your highest 3DMark03 score in Win7 64bit. Mine is 3235 using Nvidia 195.62 64bit WHQL with my modified inf. I have attached a screenshot showing my straight rock solid 50% straight BIOS OC on my 1.8Ghz Celeron giving me 2.7Ghz(1200FSB 900MEM). My Win7 64Bit WEI scores at 2.7Ghz are CPU- 6.2,MEMORY-5.9,GRAPHICS-4.2,GAMING GRAPHICS-5.1HDD-5.9(WD 7200RPM BLACK). My max stable overclock via Nvidia System Tools was around 2.538Ghz(1128FSB 834MEM). Now that I have figured out how the BIOS works and how it auto divides the memory on the fly effectively I would say don't install Nvidia System Tools. It seems to have a glitchy memory dividing process and it doesn't seem to overclock as well as BIOS OC or uninstall properly. I have had to fresh install twice due to Nvidia System Tools not uninstalling. I would like to thank everyone who has tested the OC settings I have posted and have given their feedback on what worked and what didn't. Without the feedback I wouldn't have a very accurate OCing guide for users using the stock Samsung sticks.
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#813
im a little confused as to why everyone is changing the timings on the ram.
are you downclocking it for better battery life or is the laptop not capable of posting with higher speeds?

why is your 64bit os saying only 3.5 of your ram being used?
edit: nm, im assuming 512 is set to be shared by the videocard?
although i had the impression that the card itself has some sort of dedicated memory

also what is the fsb limit for the mobo?
i just bought a p8400 which has fsb at 1066mhz
im assuming i wont have problems/limitations
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Last edited by Neevak November 27, 2009 at 10:28 PM
#814
Hurtz7 the 533mhz Cas 5 timings caused win7 to freeze and would not post on reboot with the stock samsung sticks for me. Any other timing suggestions to get the sticks down to 533mhz?

Notes on modifying gpu memory:
gpu at 512 3dmark06=1215=No Change, gpu@256mb=1215 gpu@128=1180 all scores were taken with the newest drivers.
Gpu with stock msi drivers 3dmark06@1245 and memory reads 1600mhz vs 800mhz in gpuz.
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#815
Is it possible to just overclock in the bios and keep the memory fixed at 800 and just adjust the fsb to get a greater overclock?
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#816
I'm just curious how well this handles HD content when hooked up to a 1080p HD TV? I've read that it can handle it, but has anyone tried it with things like CBS HD and H.264 files?
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Quote from Neevak View Post :
im a little confused as to why everyone is changing the timings on the ram.
are you downclocking it for better battery life or is the laptop not capable of posting with higher speeds?

why is your 64bit os saying only 3.5 of your ram being used?
edit: nm, im assuming 512 is set to be shared by the videocard?
although i had the impression that the card itself has some sort of dedicated memory

also what is the fsb limit for the mobo?
i just bought a p8400 which has fsb at 1066mhz
im assuming i wont have problems/limitations
The graphics card is all shared. Regarding the fsb limit (I think you meant the CPU), here is some data regarding the Celeron T3000: http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=40738
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#818
Quote from mav1713 View Post :
I'm just curious how well this handles HD content when hooked up to a 1080p HD TV? I've read that it can handle it, but has anyone tried it with things like CBS HD and H.264 files?
Plays very well! Streaming HD video plays very fluid with the latest nvidia drivers
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Quote from ghettorc View Post :
Hurtz7 the 533mhz Cas 5 timings caused win7 to freeze and would not post on reboot with the stock samsung sticks for me. Any other timing suggestions to get the sticks down to 533mhz?

Notes on modifying gpu memory:
gpu at 512 3dmark06=1215=No Change, gpu@256mb=1215 gpu@128=1180 all scores were taken with the newest drivers.
Gpu with stock msi drivers 3dmark06@1245 and memory reads 1600mhz vs 800mhz in gpuz.
Well I know the Samsung stick will post at DDR2 667 using the following timings:

tCL - 6
tRAS - 18
tRCD - 6
tRP - 6
tRC - 24

Try these timings for DDR2 533 CAS 5:

tCL - 5
tRAS - 18
tRCD - 6
tRP - 6
tRC - 24

Let me know if those timings post.
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#820
Tried those timings with the same result, I tried unlinking and raising the fsb independtly in the bios to 810 and keeping the memory at 800, for some reason this downclocked the memory to 769mhz and win7 wouldn't start. If I do the fsb at 880 it will keep the memory at 800 so that might work. Any idea why the memory mhz dropped, maybe it was the auto timing adjustments that caused win7 to not start.
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#821
I have a surprise OCed screenshot for you guys! How does 2.73Ghz MAX overclock sound to you? Over a 50% overclock! My passmark 32bit score 1740.8 and now equal to a P9500 CPU and faster then a T9400 and just a little slower then a T9500! At 2.7Ghz I am 3D stable and I have attached a screenshot of my highest 3DMark03 score of 3210. I am once again going to revise my overclocking guide as I have found BIOS OC overclocks much more stable then the Nvidia System Tools because the BIOS OC doesn't glitch with memory dividing. I will update the overclocking guide later.

GhettoRC,

Set your MEMORY CLOCK to 800 and try MEMORY TIMINGS on AUTO. I have found the BIOS actually does the memory dividing on the fly and does it way better then Nvidia System Tools!
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Last edited by hurtz777 November 28, 2009 at 07:56 PM
#822
Quote from hurtz777 View Post :
I have a surprise OCed screenshot for you guys! How does 2.73Ghz MAX overclock sound to you? Over a 50% overclock! mY passmark 32bIT SCORE 1740.8 and now equal to a P9500 CPU and faster then a T9400 and just a little slower then a T9500! I am once again going to revise my overclocking guide as I have found BIOS OC overclocks much more stable then the Nvidia System Tools because the BIOS OC doesn't glitch with memory dividing. I will update the overclocking guide later.

GhettoRC,

Set your MEMORY CLOCK to 800 and try MEMORY TIMINGS on AUTO. I have found the BIOS actually does the memory dividing on the fly and does it way better then Nvidia System Tools!
Awesome, can't wait for your instructions! drool
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#823
Me either!
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Quote from hurtz777 View Post :
I am also glad to hear that removing the CMOS battery cleared CMOS effectively. How long did you have it removed for?
About a few minutes usually clears it.
Quote from hurtz777 View Post :
I have a surprise OCed screenshot for you guys! How does 2.73Ghz MAX overclock sound to you? Over a 50% overclock!
After playing around with setting the memory timings manually, it keeps locking up. So I ended up doing what you did, overclocking all within the BIOS.

SYSTEM CLOCK MODE = UNLINKED, CPU = 1200, MEMORY = 800 (CPU @ 2.7Ghz Big Grin)

Everything else on AUTO.

WEI SCORE:
CPU = 6.2
MEMORY = 5.6

Now to start bumping up the MEMORY and see how far this will go. woot
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#825
Quote from PhoDacBiet View Post :
About a few minutes usually clears it.

After playing around with setting the memory timings manually, it keeps locking up. So I ended up doing what you did, overclocking all within the BIOS.

SYSTEM CLOCK MODE = UNLINKED, CPU = 1200, MEMORY = 800 (CPU @ 2.7Ghz Big Grin)

Everything else on AUTO.

WEI SCORE:
CPU = 6.2
MEMORY = 5.6

Now to start bumping up the MEMORY and see how far this will go. woot
Congrats! Doesn't this notebook fly @ 2.7Ghz! See how far you can go stable. I am 3D and Prime stable @ 2.7Ghz but I can complete WEI @ 2.73Ghz which is my max bootable clock speed. I booted into Windows @ 2.75Ghz but got waving artifacts so I think the chipset is limiting us and not the CPU to 1200QFSB. This CPU is amazing!
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