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GUNS (sorta) - Rebuilt/reconditioned Daisy M853 Competition air rifles for $100 at the CMP

jdpatt 637 September 10, 2010 at 02:29 PM in Sporting Goods (10)
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The CMP is selling refurbished Daisy M853 air rifles at extremely good prices, $100 (+$15 S&H) each, with a choice of a standard or Monte Carlo stock. These sell for $280-325 new (although the CMP sells them for $212 new, but only to CMP affiliated shooting clubs, like ROTC units and schools). They're THE best place to pick up surplus rifles for competition shooting. Short of spending $1000 or more, this is pretty much THE gun to get for competitive shooting in its class.

These guns were mostly used by junior shooters in competitions and ROTC programs, possibly by some National Guard units, usually by younger shooters under direct adult supervision. They've been professionally rebuilt to like new, and are in fantastic condition. They are extremely accurate and easy to shoot.

http://www.odcmp.com/Forms/DaisyUsedForm.pdf

Their ordering system is a little screwy, you have to mail or fax in the order form, you can't order these directly from the website or by phone. If you're close, you can drop by either of their stores in Ohio or Alabama and buy face to face. Ordering an actual firearm from them is a little bit of a hassle, you have to prove membership in a shooting organization among other things, but they're trying to fulfill their purpose of encouraging marksmanship among regular people, not trying to sell to dealers or undesirables, so they make you jump through a few hoops.

The CMP is an organization originally set up by the government to encourage civilian marksmanship and safety. They're currently independent of the US government, but still maintain a relationship with them. They promote gun safety and education, sponsor competitions, and sell surplus guns (mostly WW2 and earlier rifles and small bore rifles and airguns from ROTC and similar programs). I purchased a couple rifles from them in the past, and their quality, service, selection and prices are the best.

Manufacturer's information [daisy.com]

Info on the CMP [wikipedia.org]

CMP Home page [odcmp.com]

Reviews of this rifle:

http://www.1move.com/

http://www.airhq.com/page3.html

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Dai...ti_853/145

http://www.airguns.net/reviews_daisy853.php

http://www.amazon.com/Daisy-Avant...B0018LETZ2

The CMP forums [thecmp.org] are down atm, but they're a good source of information on their organization, the history behind the guns they stock, competitive shooting, and gun safety and education.

If you're looking to step up, they've got some fantastic prices on .22 target guns here [thecmp.org].

A note to those who would TC this because it's a gun thread. These are single shot, slow fire, small caliber guns with only one purpose; punching holes in paper. They are NOT designed to kill people, animals, or overthrow governments. This organization is dedicated to promoting gun safety and education, not about 100 round magazines or cyanide tipped, armor piercing bullets. Just a little healthy fun for kids and adults...think of golf, with more noise.

I put in an order for one, with the Monte Carlo stock, and really had a hard time talking myself out of buying two. They're a great deal, and when they're gone, they're gone, like most stuff CMP sells (they JUST ran out of M1 Carbines, after decades of selling them off and on as they came available).

Enjoy!
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Seems like a good deal, but it also seems like a pure target rifle. I don't think this would have the umph to be used for small game such as squirrel or rabbit at only 510fps. That is, if anyone were perhaps looking for that purpose.
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Seems like a good deal, but it also seems like a pure target rifle. I don't think this would have the umph to be used for small game such as squirrel or rabbit at only 510fps. That is, if anyone were perhaps looking for that purpose.
No, this is pretty much a target gun. It's gonna be good for making 1 hole groups at 75 feet, but not too good at anything else.

It'll hold its own with guns costing 20 times as much at target shooting, but it's not going to protect your home from the zombie hordes or put dinner on the table, haha.
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This is a very good deal to get into competitive air rifle shooting. I personally think rifles are harder to shoot, but you get a lot of good fundamentals in shooting when starting with a rifle.

I remember using this before I upgraded to Steyr LG100........now I have LG110, but I don't do air rifle shooting as much as I would like.
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Don't these require that you submit your paperwork as in the case of all of the other guns from CMP? Not hard to do but there probably is a little more involved for people who haven't bought through CMP before.

For the new ones of the same they say:

"Sales are restricted to members of CMP affiliated clubs only.
(must provide membership card or have card on file)."
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Don't these require that you submit your paperwork as in the case of all of the other guns from CMP? Not hard to do but there probably is a little more involved for people who haven't bought through CMP before.

For the new ones of the same they say:

"Sales are restricted to members of CMP affiliated clubs only.
(must provide membership card or have card on file)."
That's only for firearms. Air rifles and their other accessories don't require all the hassle that a real gun does.

I think the reason the new airguns are only sold to clubs is due to an agreement with the manufacturer, that lets them sell the guns at significant discounts, but only to certain groups. These sell for about $300 everywhere else, so CMP restricts the sales to shooting clubs only at the $212 price. CMP has the best prices by far on the stuff they sell when you factor in condition of the surplus stuff, but they only want their stuff going to specific groups (per their charter, they want to encourage safe competitive shooting), so they weed out everyone else. It's not really hard to buy from them, it just takes a little extra effort with the firearms.
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I mailed the order form in last Friday and got the gun yesterday. It's CRAZY accurate; ragged one hole groups (minus my flyer) shooting across my backyard (about 65 feet). It come with a sling, buttplate spacers, and a fantastic aperture sight.

I only had crappy pellets from Wall Mart, I'm off to splurge on some better pellets at the sporting goods store to see if I can wring any more accuracy out of it. I think there's one hole groups somewhere in this gun, I just gotta find them.

It's much better than the "minute of pop can" accuracy of my Crosman 760.
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Cool! I tried to fax the form in, but it would not work.
So then I mailed the form. Looking forward to getting the Daisy.
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I mailed the order form in last Friday and got the gun yesterday. It's CRAZY accurate; ragged one hole groups (minus my flyer) shooting across my backyard (about 65 feet). It come with a sling, buttplate spacers, and a fantastic aperture sight.

I only had crappy pellets from Wall Mart, I'm off to splurge on some better pellets at the sporting goods store to see if I can wring any more accuracy out of it. I think there's one hole groups somewhere in this gun, I just gotta find them.

It's much better than the "minute of pop can" accuracy of my Crosman 760.
Good to hear that your like the rifle!

What kind of condition was it in?

BTW - there is a good article hear about modding the trigger to make it more in line with match specs:

http://www.pilkguns.com/daisy853tm.shtml
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Good to hear that your like the rifle!

What kind of condition was it in?

BTW - there is a good article hear about modding the trigger to make it more in line with match specs:

http://www.pilkguns.com/daisy853tm.shtml
The condition is good, but it's obviously used. The stock looks very good, with one or two small dings that would probably steam out with a little effort. The metal has a few nicks to the paint around the edges, but it's overall condition appears to be well cared for and lightly used. Compared to my other air rifles (a Crosman 760 pump and a Chinese import from a gun show) it feels very high quality...solid and heavy; wood and metal where the others are hollow plastic and sheet metal.

The rear sight and front sight inserts are new in the box. The sights alone are probably worth what this gun costs, a very nice aperture sight for the rear. The gun also comes with a sling that looks used.
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I use armor piercing rounds in my SA2 all the time .177 Armor Piercing Pellet [walmart.com]

Fun little rifle and insanely accurate for what it is.

Just don't have a Chuck Norris Ninja moment and shoot a 'coon or possum with this sucker. You 'd be surprised at how fast a pissed off 'coon can run Seedoctor

(On a side note, bonkin' them frisbee style with a trash can lid is not a terribly good idea either. It's funny all the way up to the part where you have to sprint in the pitch black to the front door praying your fat arse is fast enough)
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The condition is good, but it's obviously used. The stock looks very good, with one or two small dings that would probably steam out with a little effort. The metal has a few nicks to the paint around the edges, but it's overall condition appears to be well cared for and lightly used. Compared to my other air rifles (a Crosman 760 pump and a Chinese import from a gun show) it feels very high quality...solid and heavy; wood and metal where the others are hollow plastic and sheet metal.

The rear sight and front sight inserts are new in the box. The sights alone are probably worth what this gun costs, a very nice aperture sight for the rear. The gun also comes with a sling that looks used.
Thanks for the great description! Rep to you!

On top of pure target shooting, I'm also hoping that this will occasionally do double duty as a pest gun. Do you think this has enough oomph to take down a tree rat at 30 feet?
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Thanks for the great description! Rep to you!

On top of pure target shooting, I'm also hoping that this will occasionally do double duty as a pest gun. Do you think this has enough oomph to take down a tree rat at 30 feet?
It's certainly accurate enough to hit one. If you're a good shooter, you could probably pick which eye to hit him in, they're that accurate. I'd think you'd have to pick a good pellet if you were using this to hunt, and I don't have any experience with air guns, other than plinking at pop cans, paper targets, and Necco wafers.

It's ~500 fps, which is more than enough to break the skin, but it's probably marginal for serious hunting. If nothing else, I'm sure you could change his mind about eating out of your bird feeders, though...
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FWIW, according to the CMP forums, the Monte Carlo stock models are sold out, only the straight stock is left.

It's a matter of personal preference, one's really no better than the other, but it shows that these won't last forever.
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My Monte Carlo stock rifle arrived today. I'd call it a 7/10 in terms of condition. I can clean-up the stock, but the barrel weight is pretty banged-up and the sling swivel is rusty. Tonight, I'll put some rounds through her and see how she groups.

This should be a good air rifle to have around. It just needs to be cleaned-up a bit.
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