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Climate Change Legislation: A Case Study in the Legislative Process I don't believe that any piece of legislation in its 'virgin' form -- coming out of some senator's office, without influence of lobbyists -- is necessarily good. But, this reads like a case of gang rape ... a gang rape where everybody -- from senators to unions/trade association leaders to industrialists to a random guy with tons of money and a memorable name -- gets to mess with the legislation and write his wishes in it. I guess, it happens because we don't trust those in government anyway even though they are the ones we control, not these other people. So, I want to ask:
"We will teach them to elect good men." Thomas Woodrow Wilson.
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You have to start somewhere. Changing things takes time, especially when you are trying to change a large and fairly monolithic status quo of politicians that are bought and paid for by special interest groups and corporations.
Personally, I'm interested in keeping other people from building Utopia, because the more you believe you can create heaven on earth the more likely you are to set up guillotines in the public square to hasten the process. -- James Lileks
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[j/k]So you think Tea Party candidates will not be bought and paid for by special interest groups over time? Any specific reason for that? And, which ones are you most hopeful about? |
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The concept of the political party itself is bad, and part of the problem. Force politicians to stand on their own, and rely on their actual individual positions on issues to get themselves elected. If there were more variability and chance involved, more voters would take interest, imo. |
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This is why no one wants to see how sausages are made. But I agree with Neo. This is wholesale rape and we are farked if this is allowed to be "business as usual" in D.C. The part about T.Boone Pickens was scary and quite revealing. Especially in light of his support of the climate bill. The truck drivers too. Graham I wasn't too surprised about but his greed for his support is unconscionable.
I wish I had the answers. As for the Tea Party I like their efforts to "vote the bums out." We desperately need term limits. This article proves it. |
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Finally saw Waiting for 'Superman' last night. Two things immediately struck me: 1) Geoffrey Canada's comments about how when he started, he wanted to change the system, but he couldn't even figure out who (or what) was in control of it. 2) Michelle Rhee's complaints about how the system works for the people it pays rather than the end users: "We have taken a blind eye to what is best for kids in order to maintain harmony among adults." (Quote taken from internet; she said something similar in the movie, but I'm not sure it was identical.) The common theme here: Big organizations get going, and layers upon layers of progress/change/reform/rules/etc. happen to them until they no longer resemble what they were set up to be. That's why I've been complaining repeatedly in the CA thread about the institution -- we can put in half measures and more reforms, which may or may not help around the edges, but we really need to start over in a bunch of these places. And remove all of the layers and strings to which these organizations are attached, so that we can determine which ones are niceties and which ones are necessities. Neo notes in the OP: "I don't believe that any piece of legislation in its 'virgin' form -- coming out of some senator's office, without influence of lobbyists -- is necessarily good. But, this reads like a case of gang rape ... a gang rape where everybody -- from senators to unions/trade association leaders to industrialists to a random guy with tons of money and a memorable name -- gets to mess with the legislation and write his wishes in it. I guess, it happens because we don't trust those in government anyway even though they are the ones we control, not these other people." Isn't it clear that the system's broken and needs to be blown up/restarted? Our Senators keep lying to eachother and pretending otherwise, all in the sake of political power and keeping harmony among adults. Or: not in the sake of serving the people. BTW, I'll note that in many of these big institutional areas requiring major reform, the main political objector to real change happening is the Democratic party (generally because such reform would likely harm donors). Which makes the party much more conservative than progressive. Last edited by jamegumb; 10-11-2010 at 08:26 AM.. |
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The legislative process works fine when it needs to. See TARP. See the declaration of war against Japan that passed in 24 hours. I don't think the process was designed to have Congressional laws micromanage sectors of the economy in the long term. Short term, perhaps. But with health care and cap and trade, some politicians want to completely redistribute wealth across the economy. These issues didn't exist in the 1800s or 1900s because legislators weren't mean to do as much, and they didn't have the media that they do in the 2000s focusing on their daily lives. Wasn't there a line in Batman about the Romans appointing 1 man to safeguard the empire? Well, that's what TARP was. Last edited by Krazen1211; 10-11-2010 at 08:55 AM.. |
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