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AMC's The Walking Dead [Spoilers!]

square_one 3,688 1,351 November 1, 2010 at 09:00 AM in Chat (4)
Did you watch?

For a show on a non premium cable channel, I thought it was very good. I never read the comic, so I don't know how it compares, but I'll be watching every Sunday. pisses me off that I don't get AMC in HD though.

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I hope it was the person the comics had it as... I had to know if my suspicions were correct at least as far as the comic is concerned and they were if things play out the same way.
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Ehhh, I can't be counted in that mix. I've got a one-up. I've read the comics. I know what's coming up. I know who it was. I know how it happened. I know what happens directly after. I know how next season is going to go minus a few changes here and there and a few details. I don't feel cheated because I've gotten a preview already but I can understand why many feel cheated.
I've got the same advantage (I'm past #100), and even friends that are as caught up are pissed off. There's no reason to assume that the same end is met, because I don't even think the showrunners know who bit it yet. It's not necessarily who you think it is, that's all I'm saying.

They had a huge opportunity to set Negan up as pure evil - the guy you love to hate, just like Joffrey in GOT:S1, by Makes you WANT to continue to watch, because you want to see him get his comeuppance, and maybe some satisfaction and closure. They totally dropped the ball on that, in my opinion, when they had a formula they could've followed, and everything.

Question: Do you think GOT would be where it is if that S1 scene was done how this one was ?

This was touted by many of the actors as the most gut-wrenching, best-ever episode of TWD, and we walk away with a big fat goose egg. Nothing accomplished, all told, except they drove around and now several people are where they previously weren't, kneeling in a semi-circle.

THAT'S why people feel cheated.

It's like that family member that keeps telling you he's got a beautiful wife and will bring her to Christmas dinner, but shows up empty handed. They totally under-delivered on this episode.
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I've got the same advantage (I'm past #100), and even friends that are as caught up are pissed off. There's no reason to assume that the same end is met, because I don't even think the showrunners know who bit it yet. It's not necessarily who you think it is, that's all I'm saying.

They had a huge opportunity to set Negan up as pure evil - the guy you love to hate, just like Joffrey in GOT:S1, by Makes you WANT to continue to watch, because you want to see him get his comeuppance, and maybe some satisfaction and closure. They totally dropped the ball on that, in my opinion, when they had a formula they could've followed, and everything.

Question: Do you think GOT would be where it is if that S1 scene was done how this one was ?

This was touted by many of the actors as the most gut-wrenching, best-ever episode of TWD, and we walk away with a big fat goose egg. Nothing accomplished, all told, except they drove around and now several people are where they previously weren't, kneeling in a semi-circle.

THAT'S why people feel cheated.

It's like that family member that keeps telling you he's got a beautiful wife and will bring her to Christmas dinner, but shows up empty handed. They totally under-delivered on this episode.
That's a tough call. I mean you can get away with cliffhangers more in Season 1 because it draws people in, sucks them in even more, and makes them want to come back for Season 2 if Season 1 was good. In later seasons, it's harder because of just what you're touching on, people have had good seasons, bad seasons, meh seasons, and some fans just may be at their limit when it comes to the show so a cliffhanger could be a bad thing. I think that's where we are at now with the show. I'm willing to bet that even with this backlash they may not do a cliffhanger like this again. Though based on the comics, there aren't a whole lot of huge moments upcoming like this again so that's not saying too much.
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That's a tough call. I mean you can get away with cliffhangers more in Season 1 because it draws people in, sucks them in even more, and makes them want to come back for Season 2 if Season 1 was good. In later seasons, it's harder because of just what you're touching on, people have had good seasons, bad seasons, meh seasons, and some fans just may be at their limit when it comes to the show so a cliffhanger could be a bad thing. I think that's where we are at now with the show. I'm willing to bet that even with this backlash they may not do a cliffhanger like this again. Though based on the comics, there aren't a whole lot of huge moments upcoming like this again so that's not saying too much.
i may be in the minority, but i have always hated cliffhangers that intentionally withhold information. the last two episodes of TWD are perfect examples: in the penultimate episode of the season, Daryl is shot, but blood splatters on the lens so we can't get a good look at the severity of the injury, and the screen immediately goes black to further conceal it. they intentionally presented it in a way to withhold information from the viewer. the finale was the same: they changed perspectives for just the last scene to intentionally withhold the identify of the victim. and Glenn's "death" was one made even more frustrating by them letting the question linger over multiple subsequent episodes. i thought dumb cliffhangers like this went out of vogue after we found out who killed JR.

contrast that with a proper reveal, the best example of which i can think right now is the toilet scene at the end of Breaking Bad's season five mid-season finale (spoilers follow if you haven't seen it). it's where Hank puts together that Walt is Heisenberg, but the showrunners didn't withhold information from us by showing the quote and panning away, leaving us to wonder whether Hank actually put the pieces together: instead, they were good at their job and showed us the realization that opened up an entirely new route for the show/plot/main characters. the desire to know what would come after that scene was the impetus to tune in for the rest of the season, not to find out what happened during that scene. the big event at the end of season one of GoT was the same: we saw what happened, and it's far more interesting to discuss all the ramifications of that scene than to wonder for months whether that axe actually fell where we thought it did.

it seems like a small shift, but for me, it's the difference between feeling respected as a viewer and looking forward to new possibilities versus feeling manipulated by untalented hacks who rely more on gimmicks than cohesive and properly paced storytelling to bring viewers back next season.
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i may be in the minority, but i have always hated cliffhangers that intentionally withhold information. the last two episodes of TWD are perfect examples: in the penultimate episode of the season, Daryl is shot, but blood splatters on the lens so we can't get a good look at the severity of the injury, and the screen immediately goes black to further conceal it. they intentionally presented it in a way to withhold information from the viewer. the finale was the same: they changed perspectives for just the last scene to intentionally withhold the identify of the victim. and Glenn's "death" was one made even more frustrating by them letting the question linger over multiple subsequent episodes. i thought dumb cliffhangers like this went out of vogue after we found out who killed JR.

contrast that with a proper reveal, the best example of which i can think right now is the toilet scene at the end of Breaking Bad's season five mid-season finale (spoilers follow if you haven't seen it). it's where Hank puts together that Walt is Heisenberg, but the showrunners didn't withhold information from us by showing the quote and panning away, leaving us to wonder whether Hank actually put the pieces together: instead, they were good at their job and showed us the realization that opened up an entirely new route for the show/plot/main characters. the desire to know what would come after that scene was the impetus to tune in for the rest of the season, not to find out what happened during that scene. the big event at the end of season one of GoT was the same: we saw what happened, and it's far more interesting to discuss all the ramifications of that scene than to wonder for months whether that axe actually fell where we thought it did.

it seems like a small shift, but for me, it's the difference between feeling respected as a viewer and looking forward to new possibilities versus feeling manipulated by untalented hacks who rely more on gimmicks than cohesive and properly paced storytelling to bring viewers back next season.
The Daryl teaser was definitely poorly done. It was a huge letdown to actually find out "it's just a flesh wound." I find that to be a huge slap and especially with using one of the most popular characters as the device for ridicule.

Now that I think more on it, I think it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't moment for the producers. Let's be honest, if they show the audience who dies and give the fans what they need to know, whaaaaa Crying2 how could they kill off THAT person?? A whole summer of Crying2 Now if they don't tell us and leave it as a cliffhanger, they get a whole lot of Crying2 we feel disrespected and Crying2 we deserve to know it all now because we are the fans. I'll respect them for making a decision and going with it regardless of the amount of Crying2 from either side. They'll lose that respect if they decide to drag out the answers for half a season or even 2-3 episodes for dramatic effect after a summer of waiting. I wouldn't put it past them at all at this point.

Now if they hit the ground running, kill off maybe 1-2 more as well as explain the Carol/Morgan situation in a very quick fashion then put it on cruise control until the midseason finale then I'll be fine. Ball is in their court for me.
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Spoiler, if you haven't read the comics, but here's a fan-made finale clip that is LOADS better than the actual one, IMO.

https://youtu.be/rgIKzuC49as
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Spoiler, if you haven't read the comics, but here's a fan-made finale clip that is LOADS better than the actual one, IMO.

https://youtu.be/rgIKzuC49as
So sad that a you tuber edited a better ending than TWD producers! Thanks for sharing crew!! Thumbup
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