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Last Edited by boogsbobo January 15, 2011 at 09:43 AM
Here is a little trick I discovered for mailing things via the US Postal Service priority mail.

The normal, advertised size for flat-rate envelopes is 12-1/2" x 9-1/2". These are $4.95 to ship anything that fits.

The unadvertised, LEGAL SIZE envelopes also cost $4.95, and are considerably larger at 15" x 9-1/2". You must ask the postal workers behind the desk for these envelopes, as they are usually not on display.

This doesn't sound like a big difference, but i have been amazed at how much more fits inside the legal size. Consider that for shipping a box or thick object inside of an envelope you need a great deal of width to stretch around the sides. For a given object, the small envelope may fit a 6" wide item, and the legal size could fit an item of the same girth 9" wide - a considerable difference, and in my experience, almost always the cheapest way to ship items that will fit.

Great for saving on shipping with eBay!

get them online, shipped for free to your home. https://shop.usps.com/webapp/wcs/...y=10000002 thanks j0ey
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Last Edited by celeritini August 18, 2012 at 06:04 PM
You cannot pay for the $4.95 flat rate envelopes using PayPal yet. They only support the regular old $4.75 flat rate envelopes.

One more thing to go well with priority envelopes and boxes are the 2976-E customs clear envelopes. I have been using them for years as envelopes to hold my printed shipping label. No more using expensive sticky labels or using a bunch of time to tape your label on your package. Just print your label, put it inside the 2976-E then peel and stick that to your envelope/package.
Custom Form Envelope 2976E [usps.com]

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Priority Mail Flat Rate Padded Envelope [usps.com]

Express Mail Flat Rate Legal Size Envelope [usps.com]

Express Mail Flat Rat Padded Envelope [usps.com]

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#301
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Paypal/ebay. No such instructions Big Grin
Yes, PayPal/eBay do have essentially the same instruction. When you go to print label, look at instruction #4:
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4. Attach the label to the package with tape or glue but do not tape over the barcodes. Make sure all of the edges are securely attached - self-adhesive labels are recommended.
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You used to be able to take their tyvek envelopes and turn them inside out but they got wise and started printing them on both sides. That's what I hear I mean.
Go your post office and look for the express tyyek envelopes, many local office still have a lot of such express mail envelopes printed years ago without anything inside. Just grab them and go back after a week to grab more. The have tons of these because not many people ship express.
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Are the bubble envelopes flat rate? If they only allow 1/4 an inch thickness, don't the bubbles make it impossible to put anything but a few papers in here without going over the 1/4 inch? I really don't see any practical use for them unless they allow more than 1/4 an inch thickness and are flat rate.
Just wrapped it into the legal flat rate
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It's OK to tape over the address and tracking number but not the barcode. USPS instructions on click-and-ship label says:

The block caps are theirs.

I think the problem is that sometimes the tape yellows and can be difficult for them to scan it, so they have to enter the code manually.
Yeah, but you're wrong. It's nice of them to say that, but zero will happen if you tape over ANYTHING with one layer of clear tape.
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Yeah, but you're wrong. It's nice of them to say that, but zero will happen if you tape over ANYTHING with one layer of clear tape.
Sorry, I don't make the rules! Take it up with your USPS if you have an issue with it.
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Sorry, I don't make the rules! Take it up with your USPS if you have an issue with it.
You don't make the rules, but spreading them like they're horribly important when they're not is uncouth. And I don't need to take it up with anyone, I just keep doing it the way I do it and have perfect success with secure labels that don't get damaged during shipping.
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LOL; I was told twice by posters that this rule didn't exist. And now I'm the uncouth one for pointing out that both USPS and PayPal clearly mention it in their instructions on printing labels.

I didn't say the rule made sense as I do see that moisture on top of a label from an inkjet printer could cause smudging. But I can also see that applying a layer of tape on top of the label might also cause a problem with glare, yellowing or wrinkling of the tape making it more difficult for the label to be scanned, so that it has to be input manually. I've no idea how often this happens, but unless you the customer hand the prepaid package in at the PO counter and ask to have it scanned there and it has to be done manually at that point, you really wouldn't know about it, would you?
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I saw the second page posted the other week. so much for "flat rate" pricing (well, depending on your application of flat. laugh out loud
Flat rate is means the rate is flat - not the package. Smilie

Postal Regulations HERE [usps.com]state
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1.5 Flat Rate Envelopes and Boxes
Any amount of material (up to 70 pounds) may be mailed in a USPS-produced Priority Mail Flat Rate Envelope or Flat Rate Box. When sealing a Flat Rate Envelope or Flat Rate Box, the container flaps must be able to close within the normal folds. Tape may be applied to the flaps and seams to reinforce the container, provided the design of the container is not enlarged by opening the sides and the container is not reconstructed in any way.
I just sent an email to Customer Service through the USPS link:

"Yesterday I mailed a small paperback book in a Priority Mail flat rate envelope and was informed the post office will no longer accept these.

My envelope clearly fit within the standards of DMM 123 1.5. Though the package was thicker than if I just mailed a couple papers – it easily closed within the normal folds, the container was not reconstructed in any way. The book was 7.6 x 5.1 x 0.8 inches. And in my opinion the package still resembled an envelope or a box.

The post office showed me a picture of a bulging package to show my package was not acceptable. My package certainly didn't bulge to that extent. And it is difficult to determine from the picture if it is the thickness of the package that makes it unacceptable – or if the envelope has been reconstructed.

Have DMM 123 1.5 standards been changed? Does a flat rate envelope have to be completely flat now? If it doesn't have to be completely flat, what is the new standard of thickness?

It would be nice if the Post Office could publish their new standards for customers to access, rather than keep the old standards, yet have their postal employees reject packages based on their individual opinion of whether they think your package looks more like the flat picture A or the bulging picture B."

Thank- you,
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Flat rate is means the rate is flat - not the package. Smilie

Postal Regulations HERE [usps.com]state


I just sent an email to Customer Service through the USPS link:

"Yesterday I mailed a small paperback book in a Priority Mail flat rate envelope and was informed the post office will no longer accept these.

My envelope clearly fit within the standards of DMM 123 1.5. Though the package was thicker than if I just mailed a couple papers – it easily closed within the normal folds, the container was not reconstructed in any way. The book was 7.6 x 5.1 x 0.8 inches. And in my opinion the package still resembled an envelope or a box.

The post office showed me a picture of a bulging package to show my package was not acceptable. My package certainly didn't bulge to that extent. And it is difficult to determine from the picture if it is the thickness of the package that makes it unacceptable – or if the envelope has been reconstructed.

Have DMM 123 1.5 standards been changed? Does a flat rate envelope have to be completely flat now? If it doesn't have to be completely flat, what is the new standard of thickness?

It would be nice if the Post Office could publish their new standards for customers to access, rather than keep the old standards, yet have their postal employees reject packages based on their individual opinion of whether they think your package looks more like the flat picture A or the bulging picture B."

Thank- you,
Very nicely worded.
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Quote from jteef1 View Post :
Flat rate is means the rate is flat - not the package. Smilie

Postal Regulations HERE [usps.com]state


I just sent an email to Customer Service through the USPS link:

"Yesterday I mailed a small paperback book in a Priority Mail flat rate envelope and was informed the post office will no longer accept these.

My envelope clearly fit within the standards of DMM 123 1.5. Though the package was thicker than if I just mailed a couple papers – it easily closed within the normal folds, the container was not reconstructed in any way. The book was 7.6 x 5.1 x 0.8 inches. And in my opinion the package still resembled an envelope or a box.

The post office showed me a picture of a bulging package to show my package was not acceptable. My package certainly didn't bulge to that extent. And it is difficult to determine from the picture if it is the thickness of the package that makes it unacceptable – or if the envelope has been reconstructed.

Have DMM 123 1.5 standards been changed? Does a flat rate envelope have to be completely flat now? If it doesn't have to be completely flat, what is the new standard of thickness?

It would be nice if the Post Office could publish their new standards for customers to access, rather than keep the old standards, yet have their postal employees reject packages based on their individual opinion of whether they think your package looks more like the flat picture A or the bulging picture B."

Thank- you,
I didn't even have to ask that much. Pointed out that DMM 423 Section 1.7 and lack of girth requirement.

Received:
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Thank you for contacting us. I understand you would like information regarding size restrictions for Priority Mail Flat Rate Envelope.

Geo, I sincerely apologize that you were not able to find this information on our website. The only information that I am able to find in my resources states that the length + girth of a Priority Mail item cannot exceed 108 inches. Priority Mail does not have a restriction on girth alone, it is always length + girth. This applies to the Flat Rate Envelopes as well.
Hell, this is new though: DMM 123 Section 1.5.1, dated 1/2/11:
Quote :
.5.1 Flat Rate Envelope—Price and Eligibility
[1-2-11] All USPS-produced Priority Mail envelopes smaller than the EP14F envelope (9.5 inches by 12.5 inches) are eligible for the Priority Mail Flat Rate Envelope price whether or not they are marked "Flat Rate Envelope." Each type of USPS-produced Priority Mail Flat Rate Envelope is priced at a flat rate regardless of the actual weight (up to 70 pounds) of the mailpiece or domestic destination. See Notice 123—Price List for applicable prices.
So regardless if you have a flat rate labeled envelope, it is eligible for flat rate as long as it is a USPS priority envelope smaller than the Legal Flat Rate Envelope. W00t. Now we can use the Tyvek ones Big Grin

Basically, anything
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Hell, this is new though: DMM 123 Section 1.5.1, dated 1/2/11:

Quote :
.5.1 Flat Rate Envelope—Price and Eligibility
[1-2-11] All USPS-produced Priority Mail envelopes smaller than the EP14F envelope (9.5 inches by 12.5 inches) are eligible for the Priority Mail Flat Rate Envelope price whether or not they are marked "Flat Rate Envelope." Each type of USPS-produced Priority Mail Flat Rate Envelope is priced at a flat rate regardless of the actual weight (up to 70 pounds) of the mailpiece or domestic destination. See Notice 123—Price List for applicable prices.


So regardless if you have a flat rate labeled envelope, it is eligible for flat rate as long as it is a USPS priority envelope smaller than the Legal Flat Rate Envelope. W00t. Now we can use the Tyvek ones Big Grin

Basically, anything
How do you figure that the Tyvek envelope is included? At 11.625" X 15.125" it's bigger than EP14F. It's also bigger than the legal size envelope EP14L.

The envelopes that do use the flat rate of $4.95 [usps.com]

Priority Mail Flat Rate Envelope (12-1/2" x 9-1/2")
Priority Mail Padded Flat Rate Envelope (12-1/2" x 9-1/2")
Priority Mail Legal Flat Rate Envelope (15" x 9-1/2")
Priority Mail Gift Card Flat Rate Envelope (10" x 7")
Priority Mail Small Flat Rate Envelope (10" x 6")
Priority Mail Window Flat Rate Envelope (10" x 5")
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How do you figure that the Tyvek envelope is included? At 11.625" X 15.125" it's bigger than EP14F. It's also bigger than the legal size envelope EP14L.

The envelopes that do use the flat rate of $4.95 [usps.com]

Priority Mail Flat Rate Envelope (12-1/2" x 9-1/2")
Priority Mail Padded Flat Rate Envelope (12-1/2" x 9-1/2")
Priority Mail Legal Flat Rate Envelope (15" x 9-1/2")
Priority Mail Gift Card Flat Rate Envelope (10" x 7")
Priority Mail Small Flat Rate Envelope (10" x 6")
Priority Mail Window Flat Rate Envelope (10" x 5")
Because I never sized it, and was hoping it would fit. Geez Stick Out Tongue
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Quote from jteef1 View Post :
Flat rate is means the rate is flat - not the package. Smilie

Postal Regulations HERE [usps.com]state


I just sent an email to Customer Service through the USPS link:

"Yesterday I mailed a small paperback book in a Priority Mail flat rate envelope and was informed the post office will no longer accept these.

My envelope clearly fit within the standards of DMM 123 1.5. Though the package was thicker than if I just mailed a couple papers – it easily closed within the normal folds, the container was not reconstructed in any way. The book was 7.6 x 5.1 x 0.8 inches. And in my opinion the package still resembled an envelope or a box.

The post office showed me a picture of a bulging package to show my package was not acceptable. My package certainly didn't bulge to that extent. And it is difficult to determine from the picture if it is the thickness of the package that makes it unacceptable – or if the envelope has been reconstructed.

Have DMM 123 1.5 standards been changed? Does a flat rate envelope have to be completely flat now? If it doesn't have to be completely flat, what is the new standard of thickness?

It would be nice if the Post Office could publish their new standards for customers to access, rather than keep the old standards, yet have their postal employees reject packages based on their individual opinion of whether they think your package looks more like the flat picture A or the bulging picture B."

Thank- you,
Keep us updated!

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So regardless if you have a flat rate labeled envelope, it is eligible for flat rate as long as it is a USPS priority envelope smaller than the Legal Flat Rate Envelope. W00t. Now we can use the Tyvek ones Big Grin

Basically, anything
That would be fun to argue!
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I did not know this. I'm amazed. Ordered and repped! I have been shipping and ebaying for years and NEVER knew this.
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I did not know this. I'm amazed. Ordered and repped! I have been shipping and ebaying for years and NEVER knew this.
Me too, shame on me! 8 Years A/V Sales. Embarrassment
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