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**The OFFICIAL GL Firearms thread**

Jabbit 1,206 March 3, 2011 at 12:24 PM in Other (2)
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Let's keep firearm related talk all in one thread, so as not to bother anyone Cutie

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Quote from desrtrnnr View Post :
please dont support anything like that.. that is a very easy way to build and start a gun registry.. every time someone takes the class the state would know they bought a gun.. plus that would be like a huge gun tax on every purchase.. i do think everyone should learn how to handle a gun correctly but there are many options available.. and classes dont always teach enough.. practice is better than just taking a class once..

Just reread my original post. When I said "every gun" what I should have said was I would agree with a permit process for long guns in addition to what is already in place for handguns. The only real requirement of which is to go through a minimal gun safety course. before April 4 only handguns required a safety course to be able to buy. Long guns did not.
The class is completely unrelated to the state. They have no idea you took the class until you apply for a permit. You dont have to take a class each time you buy a gun. once is enough. Some ranges will take the certificate of completion as proof you have been through the class for range purposes.
The state already has a registry of handguns. Soon they will have a registry of Modern sporting rifles, unless the new law is changed somehow.
Hope that clears it up a bit.

Bottom line is that I feel it isnt asking too much to make sure that anyone buying a gun has at least a minimum amount of safety training in gun handling. Yes, there are people that know a shit ton more already that havent been through a class, but the only way to garantee that is to put everyone through the class.
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So I'm starting to build my AR since I have a little funds at the moment. Am I better getting parts from local gun shows(in AZ they are at least 2x month)? Or somewhere online? And where would be a place to get decent parts? Not looking for lowest priced parts, but not trying to spend too much.
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Bottom line is that I feel it isnt asking too much to make sure that anyone buying a gun has at least a minimum amount of safety training in gun handling.
How about cars? I can buy a car without showing proof I know how to safely use one. I can kill a lot of people by driving a car unsafely.
Chainsaw?
Power drill?
Trailer to pull behind my SUV?
Aspirin?
Diving board?
Lawn mower?
Crossbow?
Bow and arrow?
Blowgun?
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So I'm starting to build my AR since I have a little funds at the moment. Am I better getting parts from local gun shows(in AZ they are at least 2x month)? Or somewhere online? And where would be a place to get decent parts? Not looking for lowest priced parts, but not trying to spend too much.
Just buy this colt/magpul FDE 6920 for $1200
great deal IMO

http://clydearmory.com/colt-le6920mp-fde.html
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Just buy this colt/magpul FDE 6920 for $1200
great deal IMO

http://clydearmory.com/colt-le6920mp-fde.html
I already have one of these on order through a local for just over 1k, I don't remember which one, but I wanted to see if it would be a better gun and maybe less if I built.

http://sigsauer.com/CatalogProduc...-swat.aspx
http://sigsauer.com/CatalogProduc...6-dmr.aspx
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Quote from xconcepts View Post :
I already have one of these on order through a local for just over 1k, I don't remember which one, but I wanted to see if it would be a better gun and maybe less if I built.

http://sigsauer.com/CatalogProduc...-swat.aspx
http://sigsauer.com/CatalogProduc...6-dmr.aspx
Both of those that you listed are pretty nice, but I can't comment on whether they are a good price or not.
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How about cars? I can buy a car without showing proof I know how to safely use one. I can kill a lot of people by driving a car unsafely.
Chainsaw?
Power drill?
Trailer to pull behind my SUV?
Aspirin?
Diving board?
Lawn mower?
Crossbow?
Bow and arrow?
Blowgun?
Sounds like the typical argument. Are you saying you are against people having a bare minimum of training on how to safely use a gun? It's that kind of thinking that pushing the undecides towards the anti ground.
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Quote from xconcepts View Post :
I already have one of these on order through a local for just over 1k, I don't remember which one, but I wanted to see if it would be a better gun and maybe less if I built.

http://sigsauer.com/CatalogProduc...-swat.aspx
http://sigsauer.com/CatalogProduc...6-dmr.aspx

Great rifles but really not comparable. You are now into piston driven AR/AK hybrid territory.
Sig 556s are great rifles... Heavy as hell, but great rifles.
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Sounds like the typical argument. Are you saying you are against people having a bare minimum of training on how to safely use a gun? It's that kind of thinking that pushing the undecides towards the anti ground.
Sounds like the typical avoiding of my argument.
Should I need to show proof of competent use before being able to buy a car and keep it in my garage? I can kill way more people with accidental misuse of a car than with a gun. Should I need to get a certificate from a certified trailer-operating class before I can pull an 8-foot trailer behind my SUV? How about for a bow and arrow? Those can poke an eye out if someone isn't careful.
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Quote from Deusxmachina View Post :
Sounds like the typical avoiding of my argument.
Should I need to show proof of competent use before being able to buy a car and keep it in my garage? I can kill way more people with accidental misuse of a car than with a gun. Should I need to get a certificate from a certified trailer-operating class before I can pull an 8-foot trailer behind my SUV? How about for a bow and arrow? Those can poke an eye out if someone isn't careful.
Again, the typical flawed argument that makes our side look like asses. Of course you can kill people with stuff other than a gun. Whether you can kill more people with a car than with a gun is debatable. An 8 ft trailer probably not, but it depends on the weight of the trailer. Anything over 10000 pounds you bet your ass you need a license to drive legally.
So, back to the question asked. Are you in favor of not requiring any safety education in order to buy a gun? That seems awfully shortsighted and quite frankly stupid.
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Quote from Deusxmachina View Post :
Sounds like the typical avoiding of my argument.
Should I need to show proof of competent use before being able to buy a car and keep it in my garage? I can kill way more people with accidental misuse of a car than with a gun. Should I need to get a certificate from a certified trailer-operating class before I can pull an 8-foot trailer behind my SUV? How about for a bow and arrow? Those can poke an eye out if someone isn't careful.
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Again, the typical flawed argument that makes our side look like asses. Of course you can kill people with stuff other than a gun. Whether you can kill more people with a car than with a gun is debatable. An 8 ft trailer probably not, but it depends on the weight of the trailer. Anything over 10000 pounds you bet your ass you need a license to drive legally.
So, back to the question asked. Are you in favor of not requiring any safety education in order to buy a gun? That seems awfully shortsighted and quite frankly stupid.
Keep this kinda stuff in The Podium please.
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Quote from jeepdog View Post :
Again, the typical flawed argument that makes our side look like asses. Of course you can kill people with stuff other than a gun. Whether you can kill more people with a car than with a gun is debatable. An 8 ft trailer probably not, but it depends on the weight of the trailer. Anything over 10000 pounds you bet your ass you need a license to drive legally.
So, back to the question asked. Are you in favor of not requiring any safety education in order to buy a gun? That seems awfully shortsighted and quite frankly stupid.
No, not back to your question asked since I asked you a question first. Twice.

It sounds like you think certification shouldn't be required for a small trailer. I guess that also means I don't need certification for a small gun.
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Keep this kinda stuff in The Podium please.
Fine by me since he keeps not answering the question anyway.
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Quote from Deusxmachina View Post :
No, not back to your question asked since I asked you a question first. Twice.

It sounds like you think certification shouldn't be required for a small trailer. I guess that also means I don't need certification for a small gun.

Fine by me since he keeps not answering the question anyway.
I didnt address your argument because it is the same flawed argument that many of the pro gun people seem to use. Obviously there is a difference between a gun and a trailer. That argument is so tired and weak that it doesnt even deserve a rebuttal.
Now care to answer my question or are you going to continue to deflect?
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Quote from Deusxmachina View Post :
Sounds like the typical avoiding of my argument.
Should I need to show proof of competent use before being able to buy a car and keep it in my garage? I can kill way more people with accidental misuse of a car than with a gun. Should I need to get a certificate from a certified trailer-operating class before I can pull an 8-foot trailer behind my SUV? How about for a bow and arrow? Those can poke an eye out if someone isn't careful.
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Again, the typical flawed argument that makes our side look like asses. Of course you can kill people with stuff other than a gun. Whether you can kill more people with a car than with a gun is debatable. An 8 ft trailer probably not, but it depends on the weight of the trailer. Anything over 10000 pounds you bet your ass you need a license to drive legally.
So, back to the question asked. Are you in favor of not requiring any safety education in order to buy a gun? That seems awfully shortsighted and quite frankly stupid.
i think it should be offered at schools just like driver's ed.. not just in the rural schools but also in the urban schools..
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Quote from jeepdog View Post :
Again, the typical flawed argument that makes our side look like asses. Of course you can kill people with stuff other than a gun. Whether you can kill more people with a car than with a gun is debatable. An 8 ft trailer probably not, but it depends on the weight of the trailer. Anything over 10000 pounds you bet your ass you need a license to drive legally.
So, back to the question asked. Are you in favor of not requiring any safety education in order to buy a gun? That seems awfully shortsighted and quite frankly stupid.
I think its useful to consider what your goal is... I haven't seen any outcry over a lot of people accidentally killing themselves or other people (maybe there is an epidemic and I missed it). In reality a class for people a handguns makes a whole lot more sense than long guns because handguns are far more likely to be carried around other people where an accidental discharge could seriously injure or kill someone.

It just seems like a lot of wasted time and money for not much benefit to me. And the objective should not be to make it harder for law abiding citizens to obtain firearms, which is exactly what that would do in my opinion.
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