please guys keep in mind that these are all 2 or 2.5 layers shells. This means they are yes waterproof but to a certain point, they are also not as durable as 3 layer shells. The best deal of the pack in my opinion is the OR Helium. The arc'teryx are great but gore-tex makes them way overprices. Also they are made with gore-tex paclite, which is a bit more breathable but less durable.
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