I would just like to say that I agree 100% with phonic - getting spammed deal alerts and spamming people referral links should NOT be the way to get contest entry points - things like contributing to the site should be weighted the heaviest when deciding who deserves a prize - yes leaving some of it to chance is good and all, but we should NOT be rewarding the spammers due to their spam in any case.
Personally, I'm very disappointed in the way SD handles giveaways and contests.
First, yes, I understand that it's a free prize for nothing and people might say "you shouldn't complain about free", but that doesn't change my point of view and reasoning.
Every so often I scroll down the list of winners for various prizes, and it seems that nine times out of ten it's some brand new user with zero feedback who, if you look at their user history, does nothing on this site other than enter contests.
Slickdeals.net doesn't sell a product. Well, technically it does - it sells US, it's userbase to advertisers. However, the core of it's business stems from the value it gets solely derived from the content and contribution of it's users. If it wasn't for a dedicated group of members, a very small minority of members, contributing to the site on a daily basis, there would be no Slickdeals. Think about it. Almost every deal on here is posted by regular (ie: non-employee) people. That in turn brings other active contributing users who post updates and other information. Which in turn brings thousands to tens of thousands of non-contributing members and guests to view the posts. Which in turn brings ad revenue to the site and the company/employees. That ad revenue is what funds their paychecks, all the administrative fees of the site itself, and the prizes they give away. Take away the bottom layer, and the rest disappears.
And yet, it's those people who, by the very nature of the way the giveaway program is structured, don't get rewarded or even recognized (in any substantial means) for their contribution, dedication and service.
Just look at the way you can garner entries into the contests. You only get ONE entry for every 200 reps you have. Only five entries for every Frontpage deal in the last four months. Only two entries for every hot topic deal you post. Only one entry for every 3-months your account has been online. And only one entry for every seven days of active browsing.
And yet, any random schlub on the street can get 15 entries for "liking" them on Facebook. Another 15 entries for tweeting about the deal. 20 entries for signing up for some deal alert spam. And up to 400 more entries for getting friends to just sign up.
Sure, the veteran and contributing users can still get those entries as well, but that's not the point. The way the system is setup, any random person can come here, signup for an account, and do nothing but enter contests, and if they spend about 5 minutes jumping through some hoops, can get around 100 entries into each contest. And yet the "bonus" for being a long-time contributing member only garners you maybe 20-40 more points on top of that.
That, in my opinion, is a horrible way of demonstrating loyalty to the people who are the ones really responsible for making Slickdeals what it is today, and what it will be tomorrow.
I understand that one of the reasons for the contest is to bring in new users. The larger the user base, the more they can get from advertising revenue, and the bigger and more profitable the company gets (which isn't necessarily a good thing for the rest of us...). I have no issue with this, and understand why they want to reward referrals and signing up for sponsored ads.
BUT, don't forget about the people who do more than just lurk and sign up for free stuff. In my opinion, the entry rewards for veterans/contributors should be at least double or triple what they are now. You want to give 15 entries for linking your Facebook account? Fine. Then you should be giving at least 15 entries for every year of membership. And 5 entries for a FRONT PAGE thread? Pfft. That should be 50.
Point being, if you want to reward every one who comes to the site and joins, that's fine. But the rewards for active and veteran members should be significantly higher. In the end, the Winner List should be mostly those people.
I love Slickdeals, and have been an active and contributing member since almost Day One. But the reason I love this site isn't because of the employees (no offense) or the "product". It's because of the community of people here. I've spent many memorable hours/days/weeks hunting for the Big Deal, and had a great time with others doing it too. But Slickdeals needs to remember that without that community, you wouldn't have a site. And in turn, when you offer special prizes and giveaways, you should give a real bonus to those people. Not some minuscule, and in some ways insulting, attaboy pat on the back.
1 year / 50 posts =/= contribution to the site - what % of winners have posted a hot (say 20+ thumbs) deal? or you know, helped out in tech support/finance/help me find a deal? - the 1 year old/50 posts, that might just be leechers from old times when you had to post to enter the contest
Thanks for posting that, did not know it was there.
While I enjoyed reading it, and found some of the information informative, it still doesn't really go into the concerns I addressed. Account age of a year and 50 posts is not really much of anything in and of itself. Don't get me wrong, it's exponentially better than one month and 0 posts, but still. I would like to know the stats based on reps, age of accounts greater then say 3 years, higher posts counts, and posting of actual deals (hot or not).
I been trying to win for years as well, and the day logged thing i dont believe works because i am always online here.
But are you actively using the site? If you just open the browser with this site open then it times out after a few minutes. If you are searching pages and checking different things then it keeps tracking the time.
You can play the lotter for years spend $100 a week and never win.
Random Joe goes and puts $1.00 on it and wins the entire thing.
You think are "entitled" to win because you play more, are more loyal.
It's all luck.
You can't make a 100% "Fair" contest. Take an online video game for instance. You can't give the Veterans too many "extras" because it will make the newbies never able to catch up and "win"
It's a very fair contest.
In response to your last comment, with the video game analogy, I would say that since the long tenured contributing members to this site are in effect the DEVELOPERS of this video game, yes they do deserve better odds at a pay out.
Your other points are irrelevant. If the contests at this site were simply "one entry per account", then I don't think anyone would have a problem with it. But that's not the case here. They already do weight the number of entries based on various factors including tenure, reputation (ie: helpful contributions), posts (more contributions), etc. My issue, and the issue that many other similar users have, is that the weighting is heavily in favor of new users, and the 'bonus points' given to veterans is so minor in comparison, that it's almost insulting.
And contrary to the very limited stat breakdown for the overall winners of the contests, if you look at the average winner, they have contributed practically nothing to the site. Many have never posted, are new accounts, and do nothing on this site other than enter contests. They don't even vote on deals. How is rewarding them in the best interests of this site?
I personally have referred close to a hundred people to this site, many of which contribute. But I refuse to spam my friends on Facebook about it. Especially since most of them already are members. I never got "credit" for them though since I say "goto slickdeals.net" not "goto my referral link http://whatever".
I have no problem with some n00b winning a contest, as long as the point distribution is fair and balanced. And in order for that to happen, my feeling is that the people who contribute to this site should be acknowledged (in a meaningful way). That doesn't mean a new user can't win, it just means that a veteran user is more likely to win. And that, in my opinion, is fair.
I'm sure that when (and IF) you've been here longer than one month, have posted more than 12 times, and have contributed enough to get more than zero rep points, you will agree.
I've been here for years, much longer than many of you. I'm not that active, but I post every so often if I have something to contribute to a thread. Usually if I find a deal, it's already up here.
I enter contests for prizes I'd like to win. Who wouldn't want free stuff? Far too much butthurt and complaining by people in this thread. Seniority shouldn't mean that you automatically win, otherwise people wouldn't contribute much for years. I don't mind the deal alerts, it's usually one email per day and I don't even have to read it. Bottom line, if it's your time to win, congrats.
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