Is Libertarianism Nihilistic?

Quote from rrc06 : Considering you fail to grasp the differences between libertarianism and anarchism, I doubt any video will help you.

explain how you can have a truly libertarian state without anarchism?

Quote from thikthird : explain how you can have a truly libertarian state without anarchism?

Please see my previous post on minarchism.

Quote from Xygonn : Please see my previous post on minarchism.

some libertarian ideals will have to be compromised to maintain a minarchist state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism
is more in line with pure libertartianism.

can a minarchist state even last without devolving into complete anarchy or the state becoming more powerful?

Quote from thikthird : some libertarian ideals will have to be compromised to maintain a minarchist state. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism is more in line with pure libertartianism. can a minarchist state even last without devolving into complete anarchy or the state becoming more powerful?

I don't think most libertarians are anarcho capitalists. There are different flavors of libertarians. The idea that the state has a monopoly on the use of coercion and only to secure the rights of the citizens to be free from private coercion is more common than that there should be no state. This does not compromise ideals. Whether corruption of the state can be prevented is hard to say.

Quote from Xygonn : I don't think most libertarians are anarcho capitalists. There are different flavors of libertarians. The idea that the state has a monopoly on the use of coercion and only to secure the rights of the citizens to be free from private coercion is more common than that there should be no state. This does not compromise ideals. Whether corruption of the state can be prevented is hard to say.

i'm sure there are very few who would actively label themselves anarchists. i just don't think a minarch state is feasible.

Quote from thikthird : i'm sure there are very few who would actively label themselves anarchists. i just don't think a min-arch state is feasible.

I don't think despotic states are stable. Yet they often last for decades.

Quote from Xygonn : I don't think despotic states are stable. Yet they often last for decades.

how long has the longest running minarch state lasted?

I usually ignore threads from EV that includes terms such as "nihilistic" or "dhimmitude."

Hello, this tread attracted me like fleas to suger,
I am a nihilist and I feel the urge to correct you.

Nihilists are not idealists, we do not have "ideologies".

Personally I feel that I liberalism is a good match for nihilism,
but that reduces liberalism to an non-ideologi.
There are socialists and marked liberals and nazis who
are all nihilists, nobody really believes in the ideology
we adopts as groups.

Rather we do what we want and whatever
is most easy for us, liberalism allows
you to do what you like, ergo its usefull.
I just ignore the hole part of civil progress,
life has no meaning, freedrom is an illusion.
What I like is individualism and optinality, becouse I am a person
who does not like rules and likes being alone
and having total control.
I don't want to give freedrom to anyone else,
Becouse I exists, and I react to my own existence,
it is nothing but a chain of cause and effect.

I just want to improve my OWN situation.
The socialists reason similarly.

Socialists who also are nihilists doesn't believe in human value,
rather they usually say something akin to;
if all life is meaningless, then all individuals are equal
and money are useless.
Market liberals who are nihilists, just percieve
the market as a meaningless and random void
which fascinates them.

What we all have in common, is
that we do not believe that our own "side"
will make any difference if we won
and that we are fascinated with bleak and black world view.

Yes, Europe is degenerating.

Nihilism occurs becouse all our values and all our societies
are fundamentally erronious,
therefore only a universe without objective truth
and without meaning.
We don't have any subjective meanings,that functions
in reality according what we construct we know about the universe.

The stupid masses hurry to their own demise,
everyone believes the worlds is a interdependent holism,
a huge apocalyptic bubblyof soap.

The interdependent holism of religion, have transformed
into the interdependent holism of socialism
and then into anarchism and decay.

Art is not art, religion is not religion, knowledge is not knowledge,
nationality and ethnicity is not ethnicity.
Women are not female anymore, men are not masculine anymore.
Children are not children, adults not adults.
Law is not law.

All is decay.
It is a nihilist time.

Quote from EscapeVelo : If everything is permitted (except coercion as a practical least harmful solution to the problem of other people taking your life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness away from you by following their subjective truth).....then every truth is valued equally or devalued equally and therefore we are at nihilism. All truth is subjective and relative, there is no objective truth. Small L libertarianism is built upon nihilistic assumptions, and is attractive to nihilists. At least that is what led me to posit the thought and submit it for discussion.

Liberalism is compatiable, but "collectivist" socialists are also compatiable
and have been the traditional majority of nihilists.

For a nihilist all societies are equal, equally meaningless that is.
All actions and beheavours, are impossible to judge.
I am liberal and nihilists, but mostly I see, freedrom as an illusion,
an usefull lie.

Moral NIhilists, usually favor rational neutral thinking ,without values and morality
in a manner similar to objectivism.
We seperatare, knowledge from belief, and define nihilism
as thinking, not a belief.

Quote from Lilian : What makes you think we're in a nihilistic society/age?

Everything, religion is obsolete since 17th century, morally and ideologically
nothing have worked nor fit into the needs of society
and all values are eroded by reality.
Before that we lived in a stasis where everything made moraly sence,
becouse we all lived in villages with no education, no propserity
and had little else than food,roof and religion.

We started to compare our situation with new standards,
and become unhappy and everything went to chaos.
When we became aware that diseases can be cured and
that we could have private ownership over things,
read books, talk to girls, have beds instead of straw,
chimenys instead of holes in the roof, etc.

Before that, everyone where fine with dying and suffering,
becouse it was normal.
Basically, this is what Henri Jabobi thinks.

I dont think its a good thing to be happy,it just explains alot.

Protestanism and Socialism and democracy
and secular humanism, are all obsolte as soon as they are born
and erronous.

That was a surprisingly good overview of the modern continental zeitgeist.

Though perhaps difficult for most americans to understand due to what's lost in translation.

In a sense, nihilism is the opposite of libertarianism. The only way to "reason" with a nihilist is force. It's a lot easier to teach a nihilist the problem with his position if you just attack him and tell him you are doing it because you feel like it, and that his feeling on the situation is irrelevant, his pain is a lie, and his subjective observation of reality is meaningless.