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The main problem I have with this whole situation is that birthers are claiming systemic fraud on a grand scale at a time when there would have been absolutely no reason to expect it. Look, if you think the office of the President has the power and influence to produce fraud on this scale, I'd say that's probably true. But Barack Obama wasn't President when he first claimed to be a US citizen. Back then he produced short form birth certificates that were official and legal for all purposes. He was a nobody. He had no power, no money to speak of, no influence. Why would Hawaii have agreed to participate in this fraud? What would Obama possibly have had to offer? It becomes even more laughable when you consider the accusations that the fraud occurred in the 60s, as though people 50 years ago actually believed that this mixed race child would one day need to be a natural born citizen because he would run for Congress and then for President.
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Like I said before, I'm honestly open to the chips falling on either side of the log, and either way it won't affect my opinion of BHO and the disaster that his presidency is, but the situation surrounding the latest allegations of the BC is very interesting. |
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I think this BC stuff surrounding the President could happen to anyone that's 50+ years old, has lost their original birth certificate, has a non-US citizen parent and parents that traveled. Records kept back then are not pristine and preserved as though they know they'll be scrutinized in the future. They're in a book somewhere. They may not be uniform and/or complete. An office could have easily used a different stamp one week or month by mistake. They could even be factually incorrect. Hell, there was a story a few weeks ago about a Marine that was having problems because his BC listed him as female. And this was from the 80s! There is no smoking gun specifically relating to the President, some people are simply choosing to put someone they don't like under the microscope and make claims that could relate to many others. Is there any evidence that people from Hawaii OTHER than the President have more acceptable records available to them? The State of Hawaii doesn't even issue the long form that Obama provided, he had to use his influence and power of the office to even get them to bend the rules on that. Last edited by shhaggy; 03-02-2012 at 10:45 AM.. |
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The Mystery Of Barack Obama Continues [westernjournalism.com] This plot is thicker than a pile of bear scat. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lest we forget people, it was Hillary's campaign that started it all.
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You know, I get it. Confirmation bias is a bitch. You all would *love* to think that Obama isn't a citizen because that would just validate all of your negative opinions of him and give you a really quick way to get rid of him without all that hassle of elections and stuff. So when your favorite Sherriff (who is currently under federal investigation) comes out and says he has "credible" evidence that it's true, it becomes really easy for you to see him as credibile because of that confirmation bias. But please don't kid yourselves into thinking you've finally cracked this conspiracy - a good conspiracy can *never* be cracked, and least of which this one, because if Obama is truly some kind of interlocutor from Kenya and in on all of this fraud, then he's been in on it quite literally since the day he was born.
At this point I hope you all continue to run with this type of thing, which is of course only taken seriously by people that would also believe the other crap that WND puts out. You all know that they're the ones that continue to push this, right? But, please make as big of a deal out of these "new" "revelations" as you can. Really. Because all you're going to do is ensure that the rest of the world - including the logical and reasonable people within your own party - see you for what you really are. Just so you can all see how crazy we think you all sound, here's the rough timeline of this conspiracy, because at this point, Obama has satisfied even more than the legal requirements necessary to prove he's a bona-fide US Citizen: - Obama is born somehwere (or was he?!?) - Someone prints a birth announcement for Barack Obama in the Hawaii newspaper on the day of his "supposed" birth, obviously because they know this baby is going to run for president one day and this is going to be important information to have since his Hawaiin native mom is planning on leaving the country just to have him. - Obama gets a passport, which requires proof of birth. At this point the State Department is now in on the conspiracy too. - Obama is elected to the Illinois Senate. Now the state of Illinois is in on the conspiracy, since you have to be a citizen to be a Senator. - Obama is chosen as the Democratic Candidate for President. Now the DNC has to get in on the conspiracy. - Hillary Clinton raises questions about his birth certificate, because the DNC forgot to tell her that this is a strictly hush-hush kind of thing. - Obama releases his Birth Certificate, which is called a "Certificate of Live Birth" and it's what you get when you request your official birth recordsfrom Hawaii, which is of couse the only state qualified to determine his birth residence (and therefore citizenship). This appears to satisfy Hillary, who we all know was just told by the DNC to shut up about it if she wants to be Secretary of State. So now Hillary Clinton is in on the conspiracy as well. - Now the real conspiracy theories start to come out. The first one we hear is "OMG that COLB isn't even a real BC!!". But then those clever people get it verified that Hawaii doesn't issue Long Form BCs - to anyone. - Then it was "Well the COLB he posted online is fake!" until the Republican Governor of Hawaii and the head of their department of health both come out and say that they have seen the original in person and that the COLB was valid. Now they've got some Republicans in on the conspiracy too! Woot! - Then it was "Well his dad wasn't a citizen and his mom didn't live in the US long enough!" until it was shown that she did in fact live here long enough, and she really couldn't have afforded to fly to Kenya and back during her 9th month of pregnancy. Of course to believe this conspiracy we have to believe she did in fact leave Hawaii for Kenya right before he was born. But why would she? Hmmmm.... - Then it was "Well there's got to be information on that Long Form that's embarrasing to Obama and that's why he's not releasing it!!!" until Obama - get this - released his LFBC. What a noob. I'll bet the DNC was pissed because of all of that crazy information it had on it. Oh, oops. - And now it's "Well the LFBC he posted online is fake!" Later, rinse, repeat. We can always count on WND for some laughs. Your president, like him or not, has produced more evidence than any other President in history has produced and you're still clinging to the idea that he's a foreign infiltrator from Kenya. So what I want to know is this - how deep does the conspiracy go?!?
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