Just when you didn't think the economy could get any worse.

Quote from DJPlayer : but never account for the different in cost of living.

Oh I so know what you mean. The people we hired from the midwest made decent salaries. There, they were living the good life. Big house, good car, etc, etc. They knew it would be a step down even with the salary bump moving to SF, but few grapsed how much of a step down. Most thought they would step down from a 5 or 6 bedroom house to a 3 bedroom. The look on their faces after a couple of weeks of searching and the realization that it'll be a 2 bedroom apt at best is sad yet ... well... funny.

Considering the amount of money about, the Bay Area is a dump. The houses don't look special or particularly expensive. A lot of tourists would visit my neighborhood. More than one would ask me if it was safe at night. I would give a scrunched up nod and say, you'll be OK. The humor of this will hit after these next couple of sentences. Once, one of the tourists said to his wife, "These houses are probably expensive. They might cost $500,000". He was off by a zero. The thing is, they do not look like million dollar houses.

The $90-$105K that google is paying is not that much money in the bay. I'd consider that solidly middle class. Cops make that. Firemen make that. Bus drivers make that. With a mortgage, kids, etc, etc, friends I know pulling down $200-$250K a year between them are barely squeaking by.

Quote from travfar : Oh I so know what you mean. The people we hired from the midwest made decent salaries. There, they were living the good life. Big house, good car, etc, etc. They knew it would be a step down even with the salary bump moving to SF, but few grapsed how much of a step down. Most thought they would step down from a 5 or 6 bedroom house to a 3 bedroom. The look on their faces after a couple of weeks of searching and the realization that it'll be a 2 bedroom apt at best is sad yet ... well... funny. Considering the amount of money about, the Bay Area is a dump. The houses don't look special or particularly expensive. A lot of tourists would visit my neighborhood. More than one would ask me if it was safe at night. I would give a scrunched up nod and say, you'll be OK. The humor of this will hit after these next couple of sentences. Once, one of the tourists said to his wife, "These houses are probably expensive. They might cost $500,000". He was off by a zero. The thing is, they do not look like million dollar houses. The $90-$105K that google is paying is not that much money in the bay. I'd consider that solidly middle class. Cops make that. Firemen make that. Bus drivers make that. With a mortgage, kids, etc, etc, friends I know pulling down $200-$250K a year between them are barely squeaking by.

unless you're living in a house that goes for way more than the average in pacific heights or presidio, but somehow looks like a dumb, then you're bsing.

Quote from thikthird : unless you're living in a house that goes for way more than the average in pacific heights or presidio, but somehow looks like a dumb, then you're bsing.

Pac Heights? Snobs. Presidio? That's on the otherside of the street. The Marina kid. Get a clue.

Marina has even lower home prices than the other two.

Quote from thikthird : Marina has even lower home prices than the other two.

And when did I say it was the most expensive neighborhood in SF? I didn't did I.

Yet still high enough. Here's some current listings. Pushing $4M for a 4 bedroom.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/r...48428.html

Pushing $2M for a 2 bedroom.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/r...61176.html

Or $1.5M for a 2 bd fixer upper flat.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/r...58652.html

When an employer says that can't find help, it really means They can't find help at the paltry wages they are offering.

Quote from travfar : And when did I say it was the most expensive neighborhood in SF? I didn't did I. Yet still high enough. Here's some current listings. Pushing $4M for a 4 bedroom. http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/r...48428.html Pushing $2M for a 2 bedroom. http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/r...61176.html Or $1.5M for a 2 bd fixer upper flat. http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/r...58652.html

yeah but you were claiming the houses in marina go for $5 mil, when the mean price is more like $1.5.

and of course you can find a few outliers. and that "fixer-upper" makes no such claim. did you even read the listing?

Quote from thikthird : yeah but you were claiming the houses in marina go for $5 mil, when the mean price is more like $1.5. and of course you can find a few outliers. and that "fixer-upper" makes no such claim. did you even read the listing?

No, I was claiming he was missing a digit, as in 7 versus 6. I even reinforced that in the very next sentence by saying "The thing is, they do not look like million dollar houses." Did I say "$5 million dollar houses"? I didn't, did I?

Quote from travfar : No, I was claiming he was missing a digit, as in 7 versus 6. I even reinforced that in the very next sentence by saying "The thing is, they do not look like million dollar houses." Did I say "$5 million dollar houses"? I didn't, did I?

"They might cost $500,000". He was off by a zero." = $5 million, or $50,000.

Quote from thikthird : "They might cost $500,000". He was off by a zero." = $5 million, or $50,000.

Nice, continue on with your selective quoting in response to a post clarifying it.

""These houses are probably expensive. They might cost $500,000". He was off by a zero. The thing is, they do not look like million dollar houses."

As I said. 7 figures versus 6.

Oh, you also claim that the mean price is $1.5. You forgot to mention that most of the housing in that neighborhood are flats AKA apts. The cheap $1M apts drag down the average. Kids starting out need to live somewhere.

Quote from travfar : Nice, continue on with your selective quoting in response to a post clarifying it. ""These houses are probably expensive. They might cost $500,000". He was off by a zero. The thing is, they do not look like million dollar houses." As I said. 7 figures versus 6. Oh, you also claim that the mean price is $1.5. You forgot to mention that most of the housing in that neighborhood are flats AKA apts. The cheap $1M apts drag down the average. Kids starting out need to live somewhere.

you didn't say 7 figures versus 6, you said $5mil versus $500thou. don't try to backpedal.

Quote from thikthird : you didn't say 7 figures versus 6, you said $5mil versus $500thou. don't try to backpedal.

Where did I say $5M? Don't attribute your words to me.

But if you must. Here are some $5M houses in the area. As I showed before, it's generally $1M per BD.

http://zephyrsf.com/marina/2415-bay-st
http://zephyrsf.com/cow-hollow/2555-union-st

I await further moaning.

Quote from travfar : Where did I say $5M? Don't attribute your words to me. But if you must. Here are some $5M houses in the area. As I showed before, it's generally $1M per BD. http://zephyrsf.com/marina/2415-bay-st http://zephyrsf.com/cow-hollow/2555-union-st I await further moaning.

you said $500k with an extra 0. that's $5 mil.

http://www.trulia.com/real_estate...isco/1431/

Quote from thikthird : you said $500k with an extra 0. that's $5 mil. http://www.trulia.com/real_estate...isco/1431/

I also said "The thing is, they do not look like million dollar houses." right after. But you keep ignoring that.

But thanks for the link for a $5M house.