The Talk: Non-Black Version

Quote from Doctor_Wu : Indeed. So why blame it on money? Lots of poor people with good values managed to get their kids a good education and get out of poverty. Also, calling it a 'system' implies that it was created out of the blue, from scratch, like a computer program. But in reality this 'system' we live in has been adopted piecemeal.

Lots of poor people do not get out of poverty. Youre empirically wrong. Our social mobility is stagnant for poor people

Quote from Gotchaforce : Okay?? poor kids are much more likely to come from broken homes, or homes where abuse is the norm, or drug addiction is the norm. Its a lot easier to care about your kids performance if both parents are still together, and one of them can actually be a stay at home parent. HUGE advantage.

Sounds like the black community as a whole, has some issues they need to work out...
Perhaps if the victim mentality continues to be pushed, things will somehow get better.

Quote from paperboy05 : Someone totally missed the point.

Really? Claiming in a 60 person class, number 60 might have had lower MCAT score than number 61 (who did not get in) is one thing. You might claim it to be unfair and even illegal. But to then claim, without any evidence, that #60 is incompetent and must be avoided is quite another thing. And when you make such blanket statements about blacks you are adding fuel to the fire of an ugly segment of our society.

Quote from Doctor_Wu : Indeed. So why blame it on money? Lots of poor people with good values managed to get their kids a good education and get out of poverty.

Because by focusing on money, the justification is there for more redistribution.

Quote from Elmer : And many in management with either government or the private sector, if honest, will tell you the quota's still exist. They're just camouflaged to hide the fact that the correct amount of minorities are promoted when upper management directs it. Your brand of racism has done more damage than the Klan has in the last 30 years. And I have black friends that would tell you that, only likely more strongly worded. Whether it's just because you're a far left socialist, or because, as I suspect, you have a personal agenda benefiting you, you are the problem. You want racism. You thrive on it.

You suspect i benefit?? how?? spell it out for me.

Quote from Gotchaforce : Lots of poor people do not get out of poverty. Youre empirically wrong.

Strawman. You ignored the qualifier I included, poor people with good values.

Quote from Doctor_Wu : Strawman. You ignored the qualifier I included, poor people with good values.

"good values" has nothing to do with it. You think everyone can just boot strap their way out of poverty and empirical evidence does not support that. You, like every other conservative, believe that no one enjoys "luck" or "privilege" in any decision they have ever made. If youre poor you DESERVE to be poor because its 100% YOUR fault.

I have gone over this argument literally dozens of times on this forum

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/h...ex_03.html

http://www.americanprogress.org/i...alysis.pdf

You think america exists in a vacuum on top of everything

european countries have 1) far more welfare than we do 2) far greater social mobility. Why is that? You cant say its because people are dependent, they have FAR greater welfare than we do for the poor and lower class. So the only thing youre left with is they are "culturally homogenous". Ill give escape velo credit for one thing, he at least has the balls to say what he thinks instead of constantly beating around the bush as to why americas poors are different than europeans poors.

Quote from Gotchaforce : You suspect i benefit?? how?? spell it out for me.

I have no idea. I just have a strong suspicion you currently benefit, or are angling for a situation, where continuing racism will benefit you. You're a racism cheerleader.

Just my unsubstantiated opinion about you. You've certainly expressed your unsubstantiated opinions about me, many times.

Quote from Gotchaforce : "good values" has nothing to do with it.

Judge Judy discusses values, and the welfare system with a recipient [revolutionarypolitics.tv]

Quote from Gotchaforce : Poor people typically have worse literacy, if youre a racist then you would attribute that to them being black, in reality its just the screwed up method that we used to fund schools. High property taxes = more money to schools. "Wow that wont perpetuate anything at all!" - white person feigning ignorance as to how the system is set up to keep class mobility lower than almost all other european nations.

Racist racist racist racist racist racist racist racist racist racist racist racist! Is that all you have? I take back my hope that the saw doesn't break when your family is in danger. I now hope you don't have a family so you don't torture small children (or grown ones) with your broken record crutch that you hide behind when things don't go your way.

As Bill Maher said "denying racism is the new racism."

Recently I mentioned a CNN program on race attitude of children hosted by Anderson Cooper. They found out that white kids who had black friends/classmates had a much less racist view of the world.

And here is why so many otherwise racist people are all of sudden champions of equality (yeah right!) and therefore against AA. In order to continue the racist traditions, one needs fresh blood. You need new racist kids to grow up and become racist adults. And all this diversity/integration crap if putting a damper on that. And that is why AA has to be stopped at any price.

The good news is that these "champions of equality" might be able to slightly delay their own demise but their demise is hopefully around the corner.

Almost same thing wrt homosexuals.

Quote from Elmer : I have no idea.

So you have no idea yet you decided to state it anyways. riiiiight

TRNT dont you get it, i have all these BLACK FRIENDS (lol) and they all agree with my views coincidentally. Theyre the GOOD black people as i like to call them...

Quote from andyfico : Racist racist racist racist racist racist racist racist racist racist racist racist! Is that all you have? I take back my hope that the saw doesn't break when your family is in danger. I now hope you don't have a family so you don't torture small children (or grown ones) with your broken record crutch that you hide behind when things don't go your way.

No actually i posted an essay worth of stuff on the last page and you literally are just replying with the word "racist" over and over because you literally dont have the mental capacity to respond to it.

So cute to see your little head squirm around.

I get such a LOUD reaction out of the good ol boys crowd yet when the2ambeararms barges in with his broken record "blacks are inferior and IQ and blahblah", as they say, the silence is deafening.

Quote from Elmer : You're a one trick pony aren't you? Throw a couple bullshit strawmen around, then scream "racist" at the top of your lungs. The all purpose argument stopper, eh? Are you actively seeking a position with Rainbow/PUSH...or maybe the New Black Panthers? Seems your qualifications are right up their alley.

I think the biggest failure of american higher education is that people like you come out of it without any knowledge of how racism works. Youre old, so it wasnt even really a progressive issue then, and probably went untouched.

Ethics courses today actually require you to read academic articles on these subjects..

There seems to be this myth (still perpetuated to this day), that racism only exists in extreme forms. As humans we make stereotypes, thats just how the mind works, and sometimes these stereotypes are linked to skin color. EVERYONE does this. The problem is some people refuse to recognize that they do and instead claim the laughable position that they arent racist. Everyone, and i mean everyone, is racist (babies arent a priori racist, but children do form ideas about black vs white very early on, even black american children typically play with white dolls over black ones).

Racism in the conservative dialogue is so far removed from where it stands in the academic world that its actually a travesty at this point. The ONLY way a white conservative acknowledges someone as a racist is if that person literally identifies themselves as part of a neo-nazi group or wears a white hood around.

You guys dont even condemn or distance yourself from the2ambeararms or escape velo. Even overt white supremacism isnt worth distancing for you guys. Why? becuase you AGREE with some form of it on a basic level. Thats the only way you cant condemn it.

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