MSI GeForce GTX 460 Overclocked $100 AR

Quote from ctsinc : The card was built to fill a specific performance hole. It's been done that way for more than ten years. Sharing CPUs or GPUs that are clocked differently or otherwise tuned differently to fill certain roles is really standard. Anyone that thinks otherwise has no clue what they're talking about. The 256bit and 192bit cards perform almost exactly the same when run at their factory configuration. Just because you were able to exploit a chip design that was meant to fill multiple roles yet can't do the same to it's sibling DOESN'T make the sibling garbage. And if you don't believe overclocking, tweaking, and otherwise modifying is not hacking then clearly you have no true conception of the word or it's meaning. Trust me little boy, you're in way over your head. I've already forgotten more than your cocky little undergrad pube brain has even learned. You'd also better consider losing that "I know everything because I have a degree in something that's vaguely related to computers." attitude because bosses like me laugh you fluckers out of the interview room.

Wow so my post really gave you an itchy vagina! Either that or you have PMS.

BTW I have experience and a well established career, not just an undergrad who plays with computers. I have actually done real hacking as well as designed complex systems, both hardware and software so I understand what a trivial think a simple video card overlock is. Apparently you do not. If you see that as hacking well that says enough about your pedigree to leave it at that. If you believe that the marketing dept defined clock speed is somehow a set in stone value that needs to be followed then again that says all I need to know about your experience and wisdom concerning technology.

So go wash that sand out so maybe you will come back in a better mood.

Quote from CHeston : Wow so my post really gave you an itchy vagina! Either that or you have PMS. BTW I have experience and a well established career, not just an undergrad who plays with computers. I have actually done real hacking as well as designed complex systems, both hardware and software so I understand what a trivial think a simple video card overlock is. Apparently you do not. If you see that as hacking well that says enough about your pedigree to leave it at that. If you believe that the marketing dept defined clock speed is somehow a set in stone value that needs to be followed then again that says all I need to know about your experience and wisdom concerning technology. So go wash that sand out so maybe you will come back in a better mood.

Yep, clearly you do not understand the difference between hacking and cracking -- of which I have done both. In fact, with relation to cracking, I was building MASM malware while you were still in diapers so as I said, you're in well over your head.

What you apparently were never taught in school was that the memory's refresh rate (measured in clock cycles), and the pipeline width (measured in bits) are the main factors that determine the memory bandwidth. a 128bit pipe at 500MHz can throughput the same amount of data as a 256bit pipe at 250Mhz. This is incredibly basic knowledge, that any self-proclaimed "hacker" such as yourself should know.

Now I'm assuming that you're in yoru tweens at best, and do not differentiate between "hacking" and "cracking", but the terms do in fact mean different things. So your vocab lesson for the day little boy is that "hacking" means testing the limits of, exceeding the limits of, or otherwise altering to function in a different way. "Cracking" is the process of attempting to circumvent or break down security, which frequently involves "hacking" to find a method for doing so.

Consider yourself learned, young padwan.

This card (happened with a previous thread as well) sure brings out a lot of arguments and emotions out of people...

Quote from atticus14 : ok i just realized its the 192bit version and not the 256 bit version so its not as good,but i'll have to dig up some benchmarks before i make my decision now....Cant believe they call this a GTX 460 without any moniker for the 192 bit difference

The bulk of all GTX 460's that were first released were 192-bit. The only noticeable gain between the two is at higher resolutions.

Quote from Daggerfall : MSI N460GTX-M2D1GD5/OC2 GeForce GTX 460 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applic...=M452-0469 $40 rebate, free shipping.

Amazon has this posted and the seller is tiger direct could i buy it through amazon from tigerdirect and still get the rebate?

Quote from TH0R : Thank you for posting this, so on top of everything else, MSI rebates are unreliable to boot! I have bestowed upon you some lightning-enhanced rep points of power!

You can't state for fact MSI rebates are unreliable based on the testimony of one individual. MSI rebates are processed by 4myrebates, the same company that handles rebates for ASUS, Gigabyte, ECS, and Patriot. I've gotten 100% of my 4myrebate submissions, and I'm talking well over a dozen. I recently received a $30 MSI motherboard rebate as a matter of fact. With my success rate being so high, I'd almost question whether people that didn't get their rebates followed the directions.

Quote from DougS : just know that you are getting the cut down version: Memory Interface 192-bit I'd avoid personally.

I don't know why people are harping on the fact it's got a 192-bit memory interface. So what? This card is still 5-10% faster in frame rates than a stock clocked GTX460 V1. When I play a game, I care about frame rates, not bits. Not everyone wants to overclock for reliability reasons, and if you do insist on overclocking, considering this is a newer GF114 core vs GF104, it's also possible it has a higher overclocking ceiling.

Bottom line: This is the fastest card you can get for $100 out of the box right now, with a nice dual-fan cooler which does make a difference in noise levels and temperature (I would gladly pay a few bucks extra for a dual fan cooler, after my experience with them). I really don't see anything to complain about here.

I really don't know why some people are acting like this card kicked your dog.

Alright, im about to shut everyone up.

Listen to the person that actually own both versions of the card. I bought another gtx 460 for my second computer because I thought it had a great price to performance ratio. Nonetheless, I tested both versions on the same computer to compare performance. At stock (meaning the core clocks of the v1: was at 675mhz and the v2 was at 778mhz). Both the v1 and the v2 were near identical in performance at 1920 x 1080 (4x aa).

Now some of you guys might say "so what, I can overclock the v1 just as high as the v2", well you would be WRONG! My v1 is overclocked to 830mhz core and my v2 is overclocked to 980mhz core! I did a little research and found out why the v2 overclocked so much higher and I discovered that the v2 version uses the GF114 design (the same design as the gtx 560) rather than the older GF104. The GF114 overclocks significantly higher than the GF104.

For reference, I found this thread that displays the average overclocks for the gtx 560 which help confirm that my highly overclocked v2 gtx 460 was no golden card: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1580314 --> average overclocks were 971mhz core

To conclude, testing both cards overclocked, the v2 performed slightly higher than the v1 in nearly all games and benchmarks (again, this is at 1080p 4x AA).

Quote from ctsinc : What you apparently were never taught in school was that the memory's refresh rate (measured in clock cycles), and the pipeline width (measured in bits) are the main factors that determine the memory bandwidth. a 128bit pipe at 500MHz can throughput the same amount of data as a 256bit pipe at 250Mhz. This is incredibly basic knowledge, that any self-proclaimed "hacker" such as yourself should know.

I will ignore the rest of your post (which is incoherent babbling) the only logically coherent arguments you is completely false. Where did you get this false impression that I am arguing that the overall memory bandwidth of a 192 bus can not be equal to that of a 256 bus with a clock speed differential? Obviously I know that is the case, I never said otherwise. And if your reading comprehension is so poor then you really should quit digging yourself a deeper hole you have no chance at getting out of.

As I said, clock speed is irrelevant because the 256 bit version was underclocked from the beginning. With the large amount of headroom available it is extremely trivial (not hacking btw) to bump up the speed to that of these gimped 192 bit versions. Then you have the same clock speed the 256 bit obviously has more memory bandwidth. All other things being equal that would give you a better card.

How many times to I need to repeat the same basic argument? Is it really that hard to understand? Some genius Jedi Master like you should be able to get it.

Quote from CHeston : I will ignore the rest of your post (which is incoherent babbling) the only logically coherent arguments you is completely false. Where did you get this false impression that I am arguing that the overall memory bandwidth of a 192 bus can not be equal to that of a 256 bus with a clock speed differential? Obviously I know that is the case, I never said otherwise. And if your reading comprehension is so poor then you really should quit digging yourself a deeper hole you have no chance at getting out of. As I said, clock speed is irrelevant because the 256 bit version was underclocked from the beginning. With the large amount of headroom available it is extremely trivial (not hacking btw) to bump up the speed to that of these gimped 192 bit versions. Then you have the same clock speed the 256 bit obviously has more memory bandwidth. Thus its a better card. How many times to I need to repeat the same basic argument? Is it really that hard to understand? Some genius Jedi Master like you should be able to get it.

Read the post right above you.

I am so glad there are techy types that keep track of stuff like this. NEVER would I recommend this card to any one that needs performance. Crippling a card and then selling under the guise of GTX is shameful.
Thank you for the info guys!

Quote from Saber1 : Read the post right above you.

cant we just get a gf114 with regular clock and standard 256 bus to end this argument. Lol

Quote from samsonn25 : cant we just get a gf114 with regular clock and standard 256 bus to end this argument. Lol

Yah, they call it the 560.

Quote from MrMarauder : The bulk of all GTX 460's that were first released were 192-bit. The only noticeable gain between the two is at higher resolutions.

not sure what your point is but the only 192 bit cards at near launch were the 460 768mb all of the gtx 460 1gb were 256bit. Imagine the disaster that would have happened if this card existed in the prime of the V1 and people bought one of each expecting to sli them.

Quote from Saber1 : Read the post right above you.

OK well as I said all else being equal so my point it still valid. However if what is said is true about the different GPU revision in the 192 vs 256 version then this card may overall be just as good.