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Quote from smegalicious : So, in other words, you're all for judging the "life choices" of other people whom you know nothing about other than their income level. Good to know. .

The same could be said about those that attack the rich.

Quote from andyfico : The same could be said about those that attack the rich.

So believing in progressive taxation is an "attack"?

What judgment is being made about their choices in life?

Quote from smegalicious : So believing in progressive taxation is an "attack"? What judgment is being made about their choices in life?

Using the rich as a scapegoat, as though they are the root of our problems, as many seem to do, is an attack.

A really dumb attack...

Quote from OhNoItsDEVO : Using the rich as a scapegoat, as though they are the root of our problems, as many seem to do, is an attack. A really dumb attack...

Do you agree that money in politics is a huge problem in the US?

Quote from TRNT : Do you agree that money in politics is a huge problem in the US?

Absolutely.
Our politicians are far to corrupt, to effectively serve us.
Instead, we serve them.

We are willful slaves.

Quote from OhNoItsDEVO : Absolutely. Our politicians are far to corrupt, to effectively serve us. Instead, we serve them. We are willful slaves.

Yet the rich are the ones who finance campaigns to elect politicians to lobby for them.

How is that a dumb attack when it's true?

Quote from amosem : Yet the rich are the ones who finance campaigns to elect politicians to lobby for them. How is that a dumb attack when it's true?

I don't think any intelligent person disagrees with that. However, you should also add all the special interest groups and labor unions to that list.

Quote from BargainBob : I also realize that the top 10% control 70% of the money.

IMO, the reason the rich should pay more is that the rich use more gov't services. Take Bill Gates. Microsoft relies on our taxpayer-supported education system to produce new workers to keep making money, and the resulting value-added is greater for the company than it is for the worker. When someone gets caught pirating MS software, a variety of taxpayer funded services swing into action--police, customs, the State Department if it's overseas, etc... No charge to MS. If anyone invades America, Bill Gates stands to lose billions. I'd lose nothing but my debt. So Gates gets a lot more out of our military than I do.

Progressive taxation is fundamentally fair because those who get more, pay more.

Quote from amosem : Yet the rich are the ones who finance campaigns to elect politicians to lobby for them. How is that a dumb attack when it's true?

And how to taxing them more change that?
It's a dumb to act as though taxing the rich more, will in any way fix our problems
Attacking the "evil rich" is nothing but a lame us against them tactic. Used to stir up hate among a certain voting bloc.

I agree the money needs to be taken out of politics, We need to demand strict new laws to keep having our elected officials votes from being sold to the highest bidder.
The corrupt practice of Lobbying also has to stop.
But people need to remember, its not just the other side that does these things. It's both sides

Quote from OhNoItsDEVO : And how to taxing them more change that? It's a dumb to act as though taxing the rich more, will in any way fix our problems Attacking the "evil rich" is nothing but a lame us against them tactic. Used to stir up hate among a certain voting bloc. I agree the money needs to be taken out of politics, We need to demand strict new laws to keep having our elected officials votes from being sold to the highest bidder. The corrupt practice of Lobbying also has to stop. But people need to remember, its not just the other side that does these things. It's both sides

In my opinion some rich are evil and they are all getting a good deal in this country. Their influence should be cut and they should pay a higher share.

Quote from TRNT : In my opinion some rich are evil and they are all getting a good deal in this country. Their influence should be cut and they should pay a higher share.

I agree their influence should be cut from politics, along with many other corrupt entities influencing our political system.
But what does having them pay a "higher share" actually accomplish? With the exception of making the Left feel all warm and fuzzy?

The Buffet Rule is nothing but a drop in the bucket. Does nothing to even begin to address our problems. But it certainly serves as a good rallying cry. It certainly works as a good distraction for the ignorant. Red meat issues...

The Right has their ignorant rallying cry's too. The only purpose these things serve, is to keep us all distracted from the real issues facing our country.

The definition of insanity, is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting a different result.
Let's just keep voting these morons into office, and see if the Hope of real Change ever materializes...

Quote from OhNoItsDEVO : But what does having them pay a "higher share" actually accomplish? With the exception of making the Left feel all warm and fuzzy?

it accomplishes fairness. It is not fair that romneys pay a lower tax rate that salaried people who make much less than them.

Buffets rule might be a symbolic gesture but nonetheless an important one.

And im gonna repeat this. The following two statements are sinisterly inconsistent:

1. The top 1% or so pay 50% of the income tax.
2. Raising taxes on the top 1% does not put even a dent in the deficit.

Quote from TRNT : it accomplishes fairness. It is not fair that romneys pay a lower tax rate that salaried people who make much less than them. Buffets rule might be a symbolic gesture but nonetheless an important one. And im gonna repeat this. The following two statements are sinisterly inconsistent: 1. The top 1% or so pay 50% of the income tax. 2. Raising taxes on the top 1% does not put even a dent in the deficit.

Show me how raising taxes on the top 1% actually would put a dent in our deficit.
How much higher of a rate would you need to get our financial house in order?
It's not going to happen on the backs of the super rich. To pretend this will fix anything is very irresponsible.

I'm all for removing loopholes that allow for the rich to pay lower taxes. But those loopholes have to be removed across the board. With a much more simplified tax code.

Your idea of fairness is inconsistent with reality.
How is taxing one group at a higher rate than another group, " fair?"
If you want fairness, if that is what your side is truely after, then advocate for a flat tax.

But it's not really about fairness, it's about having a certain group pay their perceived "fair share."

Our out of control spending, stemming from our bloated government, is the problem.
If we fail to get the reach of our goverment under control, we all lose.

Quote from OhNoItsDEVO : That's one hell of an ignorant point of view, OP.

And there are a hell of a lot of us ignorant people who agree with it entirely.