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Creating a file server like dropbox?

APhamX 3,610 557 May 16, 2012 at 06:07 PM
So I see all these cloud services from amazon, dropbox and all that and I was thinking wouldn't it be cheaper to make my own? I mean, I have the hardware and the internet for it and my own domain. I saw something like Ubuntu Cloud here [ubuntu.com] and wondered if I can set something up like this.

Are there any software out there that allows a user to do this? I know there are network drives that have software for the drive itself, but what if I have a small raid server on my home network and want to sync it up with other devices.

Why am I doing this you may ask? My friends are starting to go to college this fall and to help them I was thinking if I could provide them with a free alternative to dropbox. Do you guys think this is possible without brain damaging work that will make me kill myself?

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There's more to a "cloud" solution than just file storage. Sometimes heavily disk and compute oriented tasks need to be done, and then RAID 0, if backed up properly, could be an advantage.
No theres still no advantage. When (not if) you lose a drive, your system is down in a raid 0. No users can use the system. It will take hours if not days to get new drives, raid built, data copied and configured on a new array. a raid 6 will give you similar performance of a raid 0 but with no downtime when a disk fails.

Edit: I give up on this topic. OP build the darn server with raid 0 put everything you have raid 0. When monkey skat hits the fan I promise not to tell you guys I told you so.
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Edit: I give up on this topic. OP build the darn server with raid 0 put everything you have raid 0. When monkey skat hits the fan I promise not to tell you guys I told you so.
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I give up on this topic. OP build the darn server with raid 0 put everything you have raid 0. When monkey skat hits the fan I promise not to tell you guys I told you so.
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RAID 6 FTW
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RAID6 controllers are expensive. If you want 2 drive failure protection, use RAID5+Hotspare. If you want high I/O and write speeds, use RAID10 (you lose half the space).
RAID0 should only be used on workstations that are backed up and require high write speeds like video editing. Never use it for servers.
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No theres still no advantage. When (not if) you lose a drive, your system is down in a raid 0. No users can use the system. It will take hours if not days to get new drives, raid built, data copied and configured on a new array. a raid 6 will give you similar performance of a raid 0 but with no downtime when a disk fails.

Edit: I give up on this topic. OP build the darn server with raid 0 put everything you have raid 0. When monkey skat hits the fan I promise not to tell you guys I told you so.
You're confusing two different topics. The OP can't build a cloud solution, because he's only at one location. If you have many servers built like that documentation says, all spread out in different locations, thus giving you a true cloud, then your impact of losing one is mitigated somewhat.

Yes, there is a risk to RAID0, but it's arrogant to say that no one should ever use it. Personally, I wouldn't do it.
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You all do realize the suggestion for RAID0 came from that technet blog post that also says at the very beginning that it's for demoing a cloud environment and not for production, right?

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This document will guide you through the process of setting up the bare minimum components to demo a Private Cloud environment using current release versions of Microsoft products and technologies. It is NOT meant for nor is it an ideal configuration for use in a production environment.
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You all do realize the suggestion for RAID0 came from that technet blog post that also says at the very beginning that it's for demoing a cloud environment and not for production, right?
It really looked like that was the issue being believed in from the other posts. Also, how many test environments end up turning straight into production ones...id say a lot. So do it right the first time and your all set, right?
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It really looked like that was the issue being believed in from the other posts. Also, how many test environments end up turning straight into production ones...id say a lot. So do it right the first time and your all set, right?
This would probably be your wet dream. LMAO
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It really looked like that was the issue being believed in from the other posts. Also, how many test environments end up turning straight into production ones...id say a lot. So do it right the first time and your all set, right?
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This would probably be your wet dream. LMAO
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Actually we could really use that. Some of our jobs take up to a month to run as they are so huge. I've been fighting for funds to have a 24 ssd nas/san for years.
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Actually we could really use that. Some of our jobs take up to a month to run as they are so huge. I've been fighting for funds to have a 24 ssd nas/san for years.
Well I more meant because I thought they mentioned they were using RAID 0, but yeah a 24 SSD array would scream.

Can't you setup a cheap test bed with 4 SSDs or something as proof of concept? If a 24 SSD array cut off even a few days from your processing times, I'd say that would be worth it.
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Well I more meant because I thought they mentioned they were using RAID 0, but yeah a 24 SSD array would scream.

Can't you setup a cheap test bed with 4 SSDs or something as proof of concept? If a 24 SSD array cut off even a few days from your processing times, I'd say that would be worth it.
Cheap is still not in the budget! Facepalm

Darn economy...
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Cheap is still not in the budget! Facepalm

Darn economy...
We use something called continual improvement process where people put in suggestions for cost saving measures. You should try to get your company to implement something similar. You could at least make a case for it and do some analysis.
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Though you guys prob missed me saying I'm going to end up using dropbox I would like to input this.

Aren't there raid 0+1 / 1+0 as an option? Or raid 5. I personally use raid 0 on my desktop. But I'm starting to find out it's a hassle to backup everything to my external drive every once in awhile.
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Though you guys prob missed me saying I'm going to end up using dropbox I would like to input this.

Aren't there raid 0+1 / 1+0 as an option? Or raid 5. I personally use raid 0 on my desktop. But I'm starting to find out it's a hassle to backup everything to my external drive every once in awhile.
Yeah, RAID 0 + 1 or 1 + 0 is easily an option for speed + redundancy. With 4 x 2TB of space, you'd only have 2 x 2TB available.

RAID 5 is (n -1) so if you had 4 x 2TB, you'd have 3 x 2TB available. I'd recommend 5 drives for RAID 5 because the parity would be even (5 x 2TB, you'd have 4 x 2TB available = even = happy)
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Confused Um, well, RAID is NOT for Backup. shake head

RAID is for speed and redundancy. nod

Backup is where you copy everything to another place for safekeeping. wave
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