A few questions for the Christians, Jews and Muslims. Basically this: How do you justify your god?

3- Your god is a petty, vengeful, jealous god that promotes hate and is just plain mean.....often for no reason at all other than feeling a childish urge to remind you that he's god and you're just something no better than what you'd scrape off the bottom of your shoe. A PMSing teenaged girl bowing to peer pressure too often has better self-control than your god.

This part reminds me of Ricky Gervais bit reading a Noah book for children.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ln64DYflGT4#t=150s

First of all as a Jew I would never try to convert anyone to a religion...Jews don't proslitize.
But to answer your question how do I justify my G-d?


...what difference would it make? Reading your crazy rant it is clear you are not interested. So I will just say...I don't have to justify him to you...

Why do you love your god and how can you trust such a sociopath? Not trying to provoke but 'sociopath' is a gentle way to describe the Christian god, Judaic Yahveh and Islam's Allah. For the purposes of simplicity I am somewhat blending who god is without trying to get caught up in semantics...kinda how Christians believe in personal sin while the Judaic belief of sin is more community based than personal and Islam's is even more complicated. Yes I know there's more to it than that for the three major religions but this isn't a thread on trying to convert anyone to religion at all so I'm simplifying the basics of sin and who god is while bypassing all the overlap, minutiae and what just amounts to faith and beliefs. So please don't get caught up here on the above.

IMO a mentally deficient midget that is both deaf and blind could do a better job of being god than what is found in holy scriptures. Let's just say for a moment that your god exists. But.....if he does then by existing your god not only breaks his own commandments but is even worse than the worst person I've ever known and probably even worse than the worst person that has ever lived.

Unlike having to rely on religious faith or belief I will back up my claims I made.

How can I say that and back it up?

Let's start at the top:

1- Your god is a murderer. I've read the bible, cover to cover, the Book of Mormon (I'm the inactive returned Mormon missionary that doesn't believe in god anymore....remember? ) and part of the Koran. Your god has commanded wars to take place in his name because he got offended and sh!t....then there was that whole flood thing with Noah and the ark. Holy scripture proves this so read your scriptures and you will plainly see I'm right.

2- Your god is an adulterer/fornicator. The 'Virgin birth' and Mary ring a bell? She was married to Joseph. Joseph could have had her killed, by stoning probably but didn't. Again read your scriptures and you'll see I am right.

3- Your god is a petty, vengeful, jealous god that promotes hate and is just plain mean.....often for no reason at all other than feeling a childish urge to remind you that he's god and you're just something no better than what you'd scrape off the bottom of your shoe. A PMSing teenaged girl bowing to peer pressure too often has better self-control than your god. I consider murdering someone to be an act of hate....even when it's a crime of passion.....and with your god commanding so many murders in scripture then it's easy to see how hateful your god really is. There's more: your god seems to really get off on promoting every form and type of human suffering imaginable but can't be trusted to help you out even after living your life the best you can do and your god has a right to expect. He is an absentee landlord.....commanding under penalty of eternal damnation that you take all his sh!t, remain devoted to him and love him more than you could ever love your own spouse or children. If you don't.....he'll kill them just to teach you a lesson. Before killing them though he will likely submit them to untold suffering....while you watch, pray and promise your undying love, devotion and a good share of your wealth.

4- Your god takes or assumes absolutely ZERO responsibility for his own actions and inactions but still demands everything of you, breaks his 'promises' to you for all your devotion and if that isn't enough he can and will make it worse. How can this ever be seen or mistaken for loving behavior? You couldn't sell that crap to anyone without a gun to their head....but your god gets your complete love, admiration, credit for everything 'good' (dumb luck), gets you to take the blame for everything 'bad' (bad luck, wrong place/time, etc.) because you're a sinner....or he 'wills' it so....and if you still don't hit your knees faster than Jenna Jameson at her first audition to whore yourself out to him in prayers of thanks and promises of further devotion....then your god will smite you.

There is much, much more and I could go on for quite some time.....but unlike your god I'm not that petty of a pr!ck. I think I have made my point and given more than enough backup to prove my claims. So without asking any of you to justify the existence of your god, your faith or why you believe....can you justify what a sociopath your god is?

Why do you love your god and how can you trust such a sociopath? Not trying to provoke but 'sociopath' is a gentle way to describe the Christian god, Judaic Yahveh and Islam's Allah. For the purposes of simplicity I am somewhat blending who god is without trying to get caught up in semantics...kinda how Christians believe in personal sin while the Judaic belief of sin is more community based than personal and Islam's is even more complicated. Yes I know there's more to it than that for the three major religions but this isn't a thread on trying to convert anyone to religion at all so I'm simplifying the basics of sin and who god is while bypassing all the overlap, minutiae and what just amounts to faith and beliefs. So please don't get caught up here on the above.

IMO a mentally deficient midget that is both deaf and blind could do a better job of being god than what is found in holy scriptures. Let's just say for a moment that your god exists. But.....if he does then by existing your god not only breaks his own commandments but is even worse than the worst person I've ever known and probably even worse than the worst person that has ever lived.

Unlike having to rely on religious faith or belief I will back up my claims I made.

How can I say that and back it up?

Let's start at the top:

1- Your god is a murderer. I've read the bible, cover to cover, the Book of Mormon (I'm the inactive returned Mormon missionary that doesn't believe in god anymore....remember? ) and part of the Koran. Your god has commanded wars to take place in his name because he got offended and sh!t....then there was that whole flood thing with Noah and the ark. Holy scripture proves this so read your scriptures and you will plainly see I'm right.

Quote : he commandment "Thou shalt not kill" is really not as general as the King James version would indicate. The commandment actually refers to premeditated, unjustified killing - murder. Although God ordered the extermination of entire cities, He did so in righteous judgment on a people whose corruption had led to extreme wickedness, including child sacrifice. Did God destroy the righteous along with the wicked? In an exchange with Abraham, God indicated that He would spare the wicked to save the righteous. He demonstrated this principle by saving righteous people from Sodom and Jericho prior to their destruction. The charge that God indiscriminately murdered people does not hold to to critical evaluation of the biblical texts.

2- Your god is an adulterer/fornicator. The 'Virgin birth' and Mary ring a bell? She was married to Joseph. Joseph could have had her killed, by stoning probably but didn't. Again read your scriptures and you'll see I am right.

Unless you want to stretch adulterer into the spiritual sense you are irrevocably wrong. The spirit of God caused the birth, there was no sex involved period.

3- Your god is a petty, vengeful, jealous god that promotes hate and is just plain mean.....often for no reason at all other than feeling a childish urge to remind you that he's god and you're just something no better than what you'd scrape off the bottom of your shoe. A PMSing teenaged girl bowing to peer pressure too often has better self-control than your god. I consider murdering someone to be an act of hate....even when it's a crime of passion.....and with your god commanding so many murders in scripture then it's easy to see how hateful your god really is. There's more: your god seems to really get off on promoting every form and type of human suffering imaginable but can't be trusted to help you out even after living your life the best you can do and your god has a right to expect. He is an absentee landlord.....commanding under penalty of eternal damnation that you take all his sh!t, remain devoted to him and love him more than you could ever love your own spouse or children. If you don't.....he'll kill them just to teach you a lesson. Before killing them though he will likely submit them to untold suffering....while you watch, pray and promise your undying love, devotion and a good share of your wealth.

God is not absent. He is letting his plan play out. People have free will to choose salvation or suffering. God doesn't make anyone do anything they don't want to do.

4- Your god takes or assumes absolutely ZERO responsibility for his own actions and inactions but still demands everything of you, breaks his 'promises' to you for all your devotion and if that isn't enough he can and will make it worse. How can this ever be seen or mistaken for loving behavior? You couldn't sell that crap to anyone without a gun to their head....but your god gets your complete love, admiration, credit for everything 'good' (dumb luck), gets you to take the blame for everything 'bad' (bad luck, wrong place/time, etc.) because you're a sinner....or he 'wills' it so....and if you still don't hit your knees faster than Jenna Jameson at her first audition to whore yourself out to him in prayers of thanks and promises of further devotion....then your god will smite you.

There is much, much more and I could go on for quite some time.....but unlike your god I'm not that petty of a pr!ck. I think I have made my point and given more than enough backup to prove my claims. So without asking any of you to justify the existence of your god, your faith or why you believe....can you justify what a sociopath your god is?

Couple points to begin with:

Most of your points strictly refer to post modern Christian definitions. Christians never had to define when life began until recently. Beyond that, your points also refer to anthropomorphic aspects of God. This, again, only exists in Christianity as part of the creed. In Judaism, the only part this applies to is Jacob and he potentially wrestles with God, or an angel, etc..

If you remove the anthropomorphic stuff, 1-4 go away. It's that simple.

Post modern Christianity has created its own Pandora box it can not escape. You live in the USA, and most Religious expressions are very Christian.

Just go here it will answer every question you have http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/answers.html

Just go here it will answer every question you have http://www.godandscience.org/apol...swers.html

your tone in the OP makes it hard for me to believe that you are really interested in having a discussion. You clearly have made your decision and believe it to be well thought out