Round 11, Shoplift at Wally World and you DIE!

A trip to Wally World to do a little shoplifting is definitely not in the best interests of one's health [lptoday.com].

8-8-05 Wal Mart Houston, TX Suspect's Death In Wal-Mart Parking Lot Raises Questions

12-6-06 Wal Mart Fort Worth, TX Shoplifting Teen Flees, Hit by Car, Dies

11-12-08 Wal Mart Rohnert, CA Rohnert Park shoplift suspect dies in custody

6-7-08 Wal Mart Dallas, TX Off-duty Dallas officer shoots, kills shoplifter

12-22-09 Wal Mart Dunwoody, GA Wal-Mart Shoplifting Suspect Dies

6-28-09 Wal Mart Ridgeland, MI Shoplifting Suspect Shot By Ridgeland Police Dies

4-23-09 Wal Mart Ft. Smith, AR Man, caught shoplifting, Commits Suicide in Walmart
(And who can blame him? After all the deaths of shoplifters at Wally World, he was a dead man waiting for the coroner anyway.)

2-3-09 Wal Mart Kansas City, MO Shoplifter Dies After Confrontation

1-29-10 Wal Mart Conway, SC Woman dies after confrontation at Walmart

7-22-11 Wal Mart Federal Way, WA Shoplifting suspect shot to death in Federal Way

4-20-12 Wal Mart College Station, TX CS Police Release More Details of Friday’s Fatal Shooting Inside Wal-Mart

• Death by asphyxiation where suspect is restrained in a manner that does not allow them to breathe.
• Death by agent/employee attempting to make apprehension of a person in a moving vehicle.
• Deadly force by Police and armed contract security guards (death of guards) gives insight into the violent nature of apprehensions.
• Police officer deaths: 2.
• Wal Mart Greeters: 2.

Not included in this list are deaths attributed to police chases of shoplifters.

2000 - 2012: 64 deaths involving shoplifters in some fashion, across the nation. Wally World being responsible or involved in fully 1/4 of them.

Top 4 Retailers
Wal Mart 18
K-Mart 6
CVS 4
Rite Aid 4


Today comes MORE news. [boston.com]Yet another Wally World happy shopper is killed by store security personnel.

COVINA, Calif.—Police say a suspected shoplifter died at a Southern California Walmart store after a fight with store security workers who caught him in the parking lot.

Covina police Lt. Holly Francisco says when police arrived Friday they found the suspect restrained by store security and appearing to need medical help. Officers called paramedics and the man was later pronounced dead at a hospital.

Francisco says the suspect had been accused of stealing clothing and body wash.

Wal-Mart Stores spokeswoman Dianna Gee says the security personnel have been suspended pending the outcome of an investigation that will include surveillance video and an autopsy to determine the cause of death. It is not clear why security did not call paramedics.

Does there come a point in time where a corporation's right to simply execute shoplifters comes into question?
It's no longer one of those deals that was a freak accident, it happens a LOT at Wally World & at least in part happens because of how Wally World instructs their personnel regarding shoplifters.

I bet more people die from eating bad chicken bought from Wal Mart versus over zealous security personnel.

In a 12 year span 18 deaths happened? From what you listed, and what was listed in the link provided, most were caused by police, and the shoplifters themselves.
12-6-06 Wal Mart Fort Worth, TX Shoplifting Teen Flees, Hit by Car, Dies
11-12-08 Wal Mart Rohnert, CA Rohnert Park shoplift suspect dies in custody
6-7-08 Wal Mart Dallas, TX Off-duty Dallas officer shoots, kills shoplifter
6-28-09 Wal Mart Ridgeland, MI Shoplifting Suspect Shot By Ridgeland Police Dies

I like you left this one out:
4-6-12 Wal Mart Austin, Texas Austin Police Officer shot by shoplifter

This one was what prompted me to respond in the first place:
4-23-09 Wal Mart Ft. Smith, AR Man, caught shoplifting, Commits Suicide in Walmart
(And who can blame him? After all the deaths of shoplifters at Wally World, he was a dead man waiting for the coroner anyway.)

So really, shoplifting from Wal Mart doesnt seem like a death sentence. It looks as if your "statistics" might need a little more massaging to rally the troops against Wal Mart (or "Wally World" as you like to call them). Why do you dislike Wal Mart? Dirty stores? The way they treat their employees? They way they kill off the competition with their unbeatable prices? Wouldnt your real bias against Wal Mart be easier to display with more evidence than this?

Oh and one last thing:
"A trip to Wally World to do a little shoplifting is definitely not in the best interests of one's health"
^^ good. I dont understand why criminals should be treated well. "Oh hey look there is a guy stealing. Dont chase him, he may run out into the street and get hit by a car. In fact, lets not call the police because they may shoot him when he pulls a gun".

Quote from LordOfChaos : I bet more people die from eating bad chicken bought from Wal Mart versus over zealous security personnel. In a 12 year span 18 deaths happened? From what you listed, and what was listed in the link provided, most were caused by police, and the shoplifters themselves. 12-6-06 Wal Mart Fort Worth, TX Shoplifting Teen Flees, Hit by Car, Dies 11-12-08 Wal Mart Rohnert, CA Rohnert Park shoplift suspect dies in custody 6-7-08 Wal Mart Dallas, TX Off-duty Dallas officer shoots, kills shoplifter 6-28-09 Wal Mart Ridgeland, MI Shoplifting Suspect Shot By Ridgeland Police Dies I like you left this one out: 4-6-12 Wal Mart Austin, Texas Austin Police Officer shot by shoplifter This one was what prompted me to respond in the first place: 4-23-09 Wal Mart Ft. Smith, AR Man, caught shoplifting, Commits Suicide in Walmart (And who can blame him? After all the deaths of shoplifters at Wally World, he was a dead man waiting for the coroner anyway.) So really, shoplifting from Wal Mart doesnt seem like a death sentence. It looks as if your "statistics" might need a little more massaging to rally the troops against Wal Mart (or "Wally World" as you like to call them). Why do you dislike Wal Mart? Dirty stores? The way they treat their employees? They way they kill off the competition with their unbeatable prices? Wouldnt your real bias against Wal Mart be easier to display with more evidence than this? Oh and one last thing: "A trip to Wally World to do a little shoplifting is definitely not in the best interests of one's health" ^^ good. I dont understand why criminals should be treated well. "Oh hey look there is a guy stealing. Dont chase him, he may run out into the street and get hit by a car. In fact, lets not call the police because they may shoot him when he pulls a gun".

You don't find it at all odd that Wally World should be associated with so many deaths?
The next closest chain had 6 and no others had more than 4.

Forget shoplifters, those were just handy stats. I thought this was interesting because of the previous incident down in Texas where Wally World personnel fried some sukker to death on a parking lot.
Now this "mysterious" death at the hands of Wally Worlders.

Why do I dislike Wally World?
Why would anyone dislike a store that has been a HUGE factor in the off-shoring of American jobs, a HUGE part of the mounting trade imbalance with China, a HUGE part of wealth fleeing states to find it's way into the pocketbooks of the Arkansas 19 and deprive communities of the tax revenue Mom & Pops used to generate.
I don't know, why DO I dislike Wally World?

I wouldn't vouch for their chicken either.

Quote from Anonymouse : You don't find it at all odd that Wally World should be associated with so many deaths? The next closest chain had 6 and no others had more than 4.

Not really... maybe I should? I figure the largest retailer in the world is going to statistically have higher numbers in such thing. If you checked sexual harassment incidents, or child abduction cases, or workers comp claims, I bet the numbers would be higher there too. Maybe if the ratio of incidents to stores were provided, the number would be more or less shocking

Quote from Anonymouse : Forget shoplifters, those were just handy stats. I thought this was interesting because of the previous incident down in Texas where Wally World personnel fried some sukker to death on a parking lot. Now this "mysterious" death at the hands of Wally Worlders. I wouldn't vouch for their chicken either.

I didnt see that one listed. But even if you had linked it, I bet it went something like:
Bad guy steals
WM security confronts
Bad guy runs
WM security chases
Bad guy out of shape doesnt make it far, turns around and pulls a weapon
WM security pulls a taser and zaps bad guy
Bad guy has heart attack which would have happened eventually due to his many trips to McDs, but MAY have been expedited by the use of said taser.

Hardly.
Here's a linky to the story, [huffingtonpost.com] and another one about an INNOCENT woman in China killed by Wally World security - she had a receipt and they STILL accosted her.

There are 709 Wally World discount stores,
2,907 Wally World Supercenters, and
82 Wally World neighborhood markets
in the U.S.

The next highest killer, K-Mart, operates1,327 discount stores and 55 Super Centers in 49 states.
They also operate Sears, which has 810 Full-line and more than 1,270 specialty stores in the U.S.
Combined, Sears Holding operates 3,462 stores and has had 8 deaths associated with their properties. (2 at Sears.)
Wally World operates 3,698, which is a pretty close match, but Wally World deaths are more than double those of Sears/K-mart.

Quote from Anonymouse : Hardly. Here's a linky to the story, [huffingtonpost.com] and another one about an INNOCENT woman in China killed by Wally World security - she had a receipt and they STILL accosted her.

Ok, so I am not trying to justify the actions of the employees in these cases or any other case. And really, I cant believe I have some how gotten myself to be on the "side" of Wal Mart, but again lets look at what you have presented.

An article from 2009 which has a story about a woman being killed in China. The article also references the story you mentioned about a man "fried" which happened in 2005. Then also lists an indecent in 2008 where another shoplifter was killed (similar to the frying one?) in a parking lot. All of these situations should NOT have happened. But are you really trying to say that its Wal Marts policy to have their security "take any means necessary" to stop shop lifting? Where are the reports of the actual statistics of people who are not chased or stopped or who get away? Are these 3 cases (or the 18 in 12 years) really indicative of the policy that Wal Mart has? Also the article lists a part of the Wal Mart policy:

Quote : Wal-Mart's corporate office has refused to discuss its procedures for detaining and using force against shoplifting suspects. But here is their policy: Wal-Mart has an entire Loss Prevention Associate Guide. In that guide, it says that employees should "address the shoplifter politely and directly." It says that "reasonable force can be employed if the shoplifter refuses to return (to the store)." The policy goes on to clearly state, "If the situation becomes violent, or is deemed potentially dangerous, you should allow the shoplifter to leave." Wal-Mart Guides don't seem to carry much weight at the local store level.

So in these 3 cases, the employees involved broke corporate policy. The case could be made that store managers instruct security to act against corp policy, but proving that would be difficult at best, and I doubt the numbers would back that up. I would also bet that each of the people involved in the deaths were investigated, and maybe even prosecuted for a crime if the deaths were deemed wrongful (well probably not the China situation because... well... its China). Basically Wal Mart employees committed crimes. They werent instructed to commit those crimes (unless you have a conspiracy theory of some sort) by Wal Mart. Its like if I deliver pizzas for a living, get into an accident and flee the scene because my employer has time quotas that I am supposed to meet.

Another interesting part about the article is the author:

Quote : You steal from Wal-Mart, you die. Al Norman is the founder of Sprawl-Busters. He is the author of the book 'The Case Against Wal-Mart.' His website can be found at http://www.sprawl-busters.com. Norman has been helping communities stop big box sprawl for 16 years.

Looks like his bias is shining through. So I ask you Anonymouse, what is your real beef with Wal Mart?

Good. Perhaps people shouldn't steal other peoples property...

Quote from Anonymouse : There are 709 Wally World discount stores, 2,907 Wally World Supercenters, and 82 Wally World neighborhood markets in the U.S. The next highest killer, K-Mart, operates1,327 discount stores and 55 Super Centers in 49 states. They also operate Sears, which has 810 Full-line and more than 1,270 specialty stores in the U.S. Combined, Sears Holding operates 3,462 stores and has had 8 deaths associated with their properties. (2 at Sears.) Wally World operates 3,698, which is a pretty close match, but Wally World deaths are more than double those of Sears/K-mart.

Ah excellent, this is exactly what I am talking about! You can interpret statistics to prove your point. Add Sears stores to K-mart to drive down the ratio of deaths/store (again in a 12 year period) to help "prove" your point. While I would ask "Why add Sears stores? Do they sell beer and cigarettes and steak? Do the shop lifting incidents at Sears match that at K-mart or Wal Mart? Why are you adding Sears specialty stores? Is there a lot of shoplifters at the Sears furniture outlets?"

If you just take the K-mart numbers and compare them to Wal Mart you get 0.0043 deaths per store vs. 0.0048. What those numbers mean? Bah I dont know. But they look close dont they? I bet I could massage my numbers even more if I used the number of customers that visit each store against the number of deaths

Quote from OhNoItsDEVO : Good. Perhaps people shouldn't steal other peoples property...

because property is equivalent to human life.

Security work attacts a lot of wierd, not-so-bright people, the worst being criminal justice majors.

Yup, so do neighborhood watch security too....

Quote from larrymoencurly : Security work attacts a lot of wierd, not-so-bright people, the worst being criminal justice majors.

And Wally World probably attracts a similar clientele.....

Don't shoplift at Walmart, OP, and you don't have anything to worry about.

Quote from nobama : Don't shoplift at Walmart, OP, and you don't have anything to worry about.

you mean don't be ACCUSED of shoplifitng riight....

or do Constiutional rule not apply anymore..

Also Walmart have a $25 no stop policy for alledge shoplifiting ( where they do not apprehend nor report )