Cuisinart CGG-200 All-Foods 12,000-BTU Tabletop Propane Gas Grill $109 + Free Shipping! (eBay Daily Deal)

FWIW

I have this grill and I can tell you it has a tendency to leak propane. When you are not using it be sure to unscrew your little tank or if you have the 20lb adapter hose be sure to close the valve on the tank.

Other than that, it's a fantastic grill with a lot of cooking real estate for being a small as it is.

How much does a 20LB propane tank cost?
This is for my condo balcony, and wont be travelling, i think the 1LB would be a waste.

Recommendations on this BBQ!?

Quote from Troublestylist : They have a term for that...it's called "leading the witness". It applies to mindless computers even better than people. Since you believe everything you read on Google, I suggest you google "9/11 inside job" and "Lady Gaga penis" and get back to me with more of your "facts". The more intelligent posts on Google (the ones you find with intelligently-chosen search terms) mirror the reality that propane generates very little CO. Otherwise, (as I already said), how would you explain my propane stove not killing me? Wait, you're not an expert, you just quote other people on Google...and you're not even discerning enough to pick out people with two brain cells. You just shotgun. Your third link referenced is answers.yahoo.com. Yeah, there's a source I trust...some 13yo kid trolling for rep points. I can confidently say grilling with this indoors has zero risk of causing any CO issues. It's not a good idea for other reasons, as stated above. If you care to state why YOU think otherwise, I'm all ears. But state your bona fides, because if your C.V. is shorter than mine, I'll devalue your opinion accordingly. Chip the Brain Surgeon appears to think otherwise.

Okay, forget Google and the validity of those results...I assumed that would be sufficient to show that it's common knowledge that it can cause CO poisoning. I didn't realize you were going to question the validity of every result that Google came up with.

Is the CDC a reliable enough source for you?

Quote : Never use a portable gas camp stove indoors. Using a gas camp stove indoors can cause CO to build up inside your home, cabin, or camper.

http://www.cdc.gov/co/faqs.htm

Quote : CO deaths were highest during colder months, likely because of increased use of gas-powered furnaces and use of alternative heating and power sources used during power outages, such as portable generators, charcoal briquettes, and propane stoves or grills

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/m...5650a1.htm

If you want to risk it and think it's okay, that's your decision, but I find it irresponsible to suggest to others to do the same, given the risk of the worst-case scenario...death. I would be interested to know how you can say that there is zero risk of CO poisoning. I've provided some sources that support my opinion...what evidence do you have other than your opinion?

Quote from chip356 : Okay, forget Google and the validity of those results...I assumed that would be sufficient to show that it's common knowledge that it can cause CO poisoning. I didn't realize you were going to question the validity of every result that Google came up with. Is the CDC a reliable enough source for you? http://www.cdc.gov/co/faqs.htm http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/m...5650a1.htm If you want to risk it and think it's okay, that's your decision, but I find it irresponsible to suggest to others to do the same, given the risk of the worst-case scenario...death. I would be interested to know how you can say that there is zero risk of CO poisoning. I've provided some sources that support my opinion...what evidence do you have other than your opinion?

And water can cause drowning. Do we need to warn people about that too?

Your data, even from the CDC, is imprecise. Portable gas stoves include liquid fuel stoves. They are much less clean than propane. They don't specify which they are referring to.

Likewise, conflating charcoal as a heating source with propane as a cooking source is like claiming that talking to Rosie O'Donnell on the phone is the same as having a date with Sofia Vergara. Yes, there are functional and operational similarities, but they are nowhere near equivalent.

My info that there is acceptable (not zero) risk of CO poisoning I've already stated TWICE. I burn propane on my stove EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR. It burns no cleaner than this grill.

If there were an iota of risk with a propane stove, wouldn't the CDC have banned them already? So then, making some complete leap to saying there's an unacceptable amount of risk with a very similar appliance, just because it's optimized for outdoor use, is excessively paranoid. (Granted, I'd indeed be worried about flareup from this indoors, but that's not the point here).

Think about it. If it were discovered today, would the government even ALLOW natural gas to be pumped through the ground at high pressure and vented into your house, to be burned at whim by your average moron citizen? Nope. They'd ban it as too dangerous. And they'd probably reconfigure 120V service to be 12V...again, in the name of safety.

And for comparison, here's something that puts out 50% more heat and is used "safely" indoors.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/..._200307957

Quote : An indoor-safe portable propane heater, like the patented Buddy or Big Buddy from Mr. Heater Corporation, has an oxygen depletion system (ODS) that automatically shuts off the heater if the oxygen level is reduced below acceptable standards within an enclosed area

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Doesn't sound like they're too worried about CO, and they're expecting you to run this thing for hours, not minutes.

With any appliance, there's a non-zero risk of CO and fire if used improperly, in the same way that people with pools have a higher risk of drowning in their pool than people without pools).

I've used charcoal inside too.

Quote from EazyRider562 : I've used charcoal inside too.

LOL...I'm not backing you up on this one, but I'll be interested to follow it from the sidelines...

Quote from Troublestylist : And water can cause drowning. Do we need to warn people about that too? Your data, even from the CDC, is imprecise. Portable gas stoves include liquid fuel stoves. They are much less clean than propane. They don't specify which they are referring to. Likewise, conflating charcoal as a heating source with propane as a cooking source is like claiming that talking to Rosie O'Donnell on the phone is the same as having a date with Sofia Vergara. Yes, there are functional and operational similarities, but they are nowhere near equivalent. My info that there is acceptable (not zero) risk of CO poisoning I've already stated TWICE. I burn propane on my stove EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR. It burns no cleaner than this grill. If there were an iota of risk with a propane stove, wouldn't the CDC have banned them already? So then, making some complete leap to saying there's an unacceptable amount of risk with a very similar appliance, just because it's optimized for outdoor use, is excessively paranoid. And for comparison, here's something that puts out 50% more heat and is used "safely" indoors. http://www.northerntool.com/shop/..._200307957 (Note again that there's a non-zero risk of CO and fire, in the same way that people with pools have a higher risk of drowning in their pool than people without pools).

Whatever...I really don't feel like continuing to debate with someone who misconstrues my stance with ridiculous analogies on every reply...yes, lets ban water because it's dangerous

I'm done...I'll trust the CDC over your conjecture, which still isn't backed up by anything of substance.

Quote from Troublestylist : LOL...I'm not backing you up on this one, but I'll be interested to follow it from the sidelines...

Here is something funny. My current house, in a large eat-in area off the kitchen, has a fireplace, and.....a charcoal grill built into the brick. I've since removed the grill insert, as the space was perfect for a TV, and I have 6 smokers/grills outside on the deck. I'm wondering if it would even be possible to build a house to code with something like that these days. It has its own separate flue and a fan mounted on the roof. Pretty cool actually. The house was built in the 60's.

Quote from chip356 : Whatever...I really don't feel like continuing to debate with someone who misconstrues my stance with ridiculous analogies on every reply...yes, lets ban water because it's dangerous I'm done...I'll trust the CDC over your conjecture, which still isn't backed up by anything of substance.

Those "ridiculous analogies" are there both for humour and to help you understand the errors in your logic. Oh well, one outta two ain't bad.

Apparently you consider gross oversimplifications written by lawyers for the ignorant to be "substance", even when presented with factual unarguable empirical evidence to the contrary. No offense, but a that's good example of why America is doomed to mediocracy. "Never mind that people do it everyday...if the Government says it's bad, they must be right.". I won't bother digging up more examples...your internet is replete with them.

Quote from EddyGurge : Here is something funny. My current house, in a large eat-in area off the kitchen, has a fireplace, and.....a charcoal grill built into the brick. I've since removed the grill insert, as the space was perfect for a TV, and I have 6 smokers/grills outside on the deck. I'm wondering if it would even be possible to build a house to code with something like that these days. It has its own separate flue and a fan mounted on the roof. Pretty cool actually. The house was built in the 60's.

Excellent! Of course, using a flue is cheating.

I don't think you can build most fireplaces anymore...especially in California. Wait...the oracle wife says you can have ONE. But you can never use it...at least not on no-burn days. Sheesh... :-)

A friend had a fireplace that went through from the kitchen to the living room. Business in the front, party in the rear...like a mullet.

be sure to read the amazon reviews on the 4foot hose adapter
http://www.amazon.com/Cuisinart-4...Descending

lots of people having leak problems

I received shipment of my grill yesterday. It is a nice grill but I can tell by close inspection that it is definitely either a refurb or some sort of floor model. It looks like it literally fell off the truck and someone picked it up and repackaged it. The things I noticed were:

1 - there is touch up paint on certain spots
2 - obvious wear and tear on the allen screws
3 - someone did a horrible job trying to clean the stainless steel with a dirty rag
4 - The box is damaged and obviously re-taped.

Anyone else notice any of the above or am I the only lucky one? I can't say I'm completely angry because it was a pretty hot deal but I hate being deceived. The seller made it a point to say that it was a BRAND NEW unit and it clearly is not. I don't think I'm going to return it just a little ticked off. I'm always skeptical of eBay but I let my guard down based on the seller's rating. Buyer beware

When did you order it? Do you think it was stolen?

Mine should be here Thursday and I can't wait!

Quote from Rescuer : be sure to read the amazon reviews on the 4foot hose adapter http://www.amazon.com/Cuisinart-4...Descending lots of people having leak problems

I read somewhere that manufacturer is well alert and leak issue has been escalated. it is related to QC. I'll posted if I can find the link.