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DEAD: t-mobile Value Plan $100 for 5 lines (2 unlimited talk/text/data 2GB at 4G, 3 lines 500 minutes each) via add a line $0 value, $5 classic, free nights&weekends&t-mobile

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Last Edited by green_key June 16, 2013 at 09:23 AM
update 04/29/2013
Only available to existing out of contract t-mobile customer by calling retention department. YMMV.

update 02/12/2013
Alive from Feb 13, 2013 to Mar 23, 2013. You get free add-a-line for value plan or $5 add-a-line on classic till Jan 2014

Current Family Value Plan, get it now: Note: This deal ends March 23rd
1. If you don't want unlimited minutes, eg: 1000 shared family minutes among 5 people
2. If you only want max of 2 lines of unlimited minutes
3. If you use 2GB or more data monthly, and do not mind getting throttled

Wait for uncarrier ..rumoured to start end of March
1. If you want unlimited voice minutes for 3 lines or more, then definitely wait for the new uncarrier plan.
2. If you don't want contract

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T-Mobile’s Back-To-School Promotion Begins July 1st
TMobile upcoming back-to-school promotion beginning July 1st offering promotional family plans with $5 Classic and $0 Value add-a-lines. This promotional offering will offer savings of $5 per month, until January 2, 2014.

The promo offer is good for all Classic and Value plans that have shared limited buckets of minutes and the 500-minute AAL on unlimited family plans. Free nights and weekends, and other t-mobile.

Notes/Fine prints:
  • Good for both new and existing customers, and of course it requires a two-year contract. Existing customers will be required to change their existing rate plan and extend their contract on all lines to take advantage of this promo. A quick reminder that a contract extension for a rate plan change does not affect your upgrade date for a new phone
  • No grandfathered features (no myfav, no tzone, no web2go, no ...etc).
  • Tax+fees depending on your location, +12% in CA. Some military or corp -5% to -20% discount. Also tax on migration fees, and smartphone.
  • You do NOT need to get all 5 lines, but current promo gives you 3rd, 4th and 5th discount until Jan 2, 2014. Pricing will not change if you only get less line. After Jan 2nd, 2014, you will have to pay $5 extra for each 3rd, 4th and 5th.
  • Once that line/number are on Value plan, current t-mobile policy will not allow you to get back to plan which offer subsidy in future. So once you are in value plan, you will always have to buy devices yourself.
  • One account can have upto 5 lines. One person if qualify can have multiple accounts.

Best deal on value plan. Corp, military discount can be applied.

UNLIMITED MINUTES WITH DATA VALUE PLAN:
add $25 for 3rd, 4th, 5th each for unlimited talk. Add $10 for 3rd, 4th, 5th each for 2GB high speed. Add $25 for 3rd, 4th, 5th for 5GB high speed, $10 per line mobile to/from mobile (skype, google voice is not consider as mobile). Add $20 for unlimited nationwide un-throttle
5 lines for $80: (2 unlimited talk/text) + (3 lines unlimited text, 500 minutes each) << add $10 for 2GB, $20 for un-throttle data, $25 for 5GB, $25 for unlimited voice
5 lines for $100: (2 unlimited talk/text/data with 2GB at 4G) + (3 lines unlimited text, 500 minutes each)
5 lines for $110: (2 unlimited talk/text/data with 2GB at 4G) + (1 line unlimited text, 2GB at 4G, 500 minutes each) + (2 lines unlimited text, 500 minutes each)
5 lines for $110: (2 unlimited talk/text) + (3 lines unlimited text, 2GB at 4G, 500 minutes each)
5 lines for $120: (2 unlimited talk/text/data with 2GB at 4G) + (2 line unlimited text, 2GB at 4G, 500 minutes each) + (1 lines unlimited text, 500 minutes each)
5 lines for $120: (2 unlimited talk/text/data with unlimited nationwide, un-throttle data) + (3 lines unlimited text, 500 minutes each)
5 lines for $130: (2 unlimited talk/text/data with 2GB at 4G) + (3 line unlimited text, 2GB at 4G, 500 minutes each)
5 lines for $130: (2 unlimited talk/text/data with 5GB at 4G) + (3 lines unlimited text, 500 minutes each)

1000 SHARED MINUTES WITH DATA VALUE PLAN:
5 lines for $80: (5 lines sharing 1000 minutes, unlimited text, 2 lines with 2GB at 4G each)
5 lines for $90: (5 lines sharing 1000 minutes, unlimited text, 3 lines with 2GB at 4G each)
5 lines for $100: (5 lines sharing 1000 minutes, unlimited text, 2 lines with unlimited nationwide, un-throttle data)

VOICE WITH TEXT VALUE PLAN, NO DATA:
5 lines for $60: (5 lines sharing 1000 minutes, unlimited text, no data) << add $10 for 2GB, $20 for un-throttle data, $25 for 5GB
5 lines for $80: (2 lines unlimited talk/text, no data) + (3 lines unlimited text, 500 minutes each, no data)
5 lines for $105: (3 lines unlimited talk/text, no data) + (2 lines unlimited text, 500 minutes each, no data)

VOICE ONLY VALUE PLAN, NO DATA, NO TEXT: ... update: 10/15/2012 thanks to npatel3c
5 lines for $50: (5 lines sharing 1000 minutes, no text, no data) << add $10 for 2GB, $20 for un-throttle data, $25 for 5GB
.....

I have worked hard to pull info from different official sites to create this deal...rep me if you find this a good deal hug

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Classic plan also have this promo benefit, but monthly will be slightly more, BUT YOU GET BETTER DISCOUNT on smartphone. Value plan customer needs to buy smartphone at "retail price". In my location, costco retail price on smartphone is cheaper than t-mobile retail store.

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HOW TO GET THIS DEAL

STEP 0: Check t-mobile coverage in your area: http://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/pcc.aspx
If you are new to t-mobile or getting a new plan, please do the activation in person, do NOT use t-mobile chat. This will save a lot of grief and human error, a wisdom from many experienced t-mobile customers.

A.If you are still in contract t-mobile customer, call t-mobile directly for the add-on promo. If you are interested in value plan, they will have to check if you qualify for value plan. Check migration fees below. For NEW customer, I would recommend going personally to costco or tmobile retail store. Update, just learn this myself on 7/5: You can get this online. Put the package into the cart first and then customize each line at checkout, http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Pack...kages.aspx. Update 7/6: if you cannot get unlimited plan via t-mobile website, you can call t-mobile directly or goto retail store (t-mobile, costco, best buy...etc). It's still available, t-mobile website is just missing lots of features and plan.

B. IF you are interested in value plan and planning to get a smartphone at costco, eg Samsung S2, do steps below:
1. First make sure you qualify: out of t-mobile contract or qualify for upgrade (not value plan) or less than 6 months left on t-mobile contract (not value plan) or new t-mobile customer or currently value plan customer wanting add-a-line, AND (access to costco membership and data plan)
2. Goto local costco. Tell them that you wanted value plan and wanted smartphones as well. Do your transactions. New activation is free, not sure about existing add-a-line customer. Sim is free.
3. Go home, make sure everything works and happy. If you have corp/military/eduction discount..etct, then call t-mobile CS. They should be able to apply for you.
UPDATE 7/23/2012: Costco will NO longer sell S3 with value plan.
UPDATE 8/07/2012: Costco now require phone purchase with all value lines activated. Thus I would recommend ONLY activating value plan lines for smartphones (first two line) or (add-a-line). Costco smartphone are decently priced but all their dumb phone are really really expensive! Then goto t-mobile stores to add/activate the rest. Remember to ask for free activation.

C. You DO NOT need to goto costco to get the value plan and classic plan deal. You can get value plan or classic plan along with smartphone anywhere, eg: t-mobile store, amazon wireless, walmart, ...etc. Major differences is the pricing of the smartphone. You can always buy at independent market like google nexus at google play or ebay or craigslist or amazon store. Costco is only mentioned here because they have great smartphone price when u activate/signup there. Where and when you activate/signup the value plan will determine the cost of your smartphone. So if you signup/activate at costco, then you get costo smartphone pricing. If you signup/activate at t-mobile store, you get t-mobile store smartphone pricing, you cannot go back to costco to get costco smartphone pricing later for that line. Lesson here: signup/activate plan or line where the smartphone is cheapest, and get the smartphone for that line at the same time.

D. If you don't want to buy smartphones for value plan, then just goto t-mobile store. It'll be free sim and NO activation fees. Note that once you are already in value plan, in future, you will NOT be able to buy smartphone for those lines at value plan prices, not in costco and not with t-mobile. Those lines will not be able to transfer back to a subsidized t-mobile plan (eg: classic, ...etc). This is the current t-mobile policy. It may or may not change in future. You can buy phones at ebay, craigslist, google play or get pre-paid phones, ..etc. Note that phone prices trend is dropping like crazy.

E. If you decide to buy smartphone, remember that tax on smartphone is based on retail price. If you pay migration fees, there will be tax on that too.

My experience shows that being nice to the salesperson or cs makes getting the deal easier, especially retention laugh out loud
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MIGRATION FEES for existing t-mobile customer still in contract and wanting to move to value plan. Depending on when you get your phone subsidized, there maybe a migration fees going to value plan PER LINE. Tax on migration fees. Official doc from t-mobile: http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-3282. Use this if anyone tells you differently.

Months Completed on Contract, per t-mobile official doc 3282, lasts modified Mar 8, 2012 10:38 PM by tmo_ryanm
0-7 months completed $200
8-11 months completed $150
12-15 months completed $100
16-17 months completed $50
18+ months completed $0

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Data Add-on Features:

Data Add-on Classic Plan Value Plan 4G Speed Allowance Details
Unlimited Nationwide 4G Data $30 $20 Unlimited Not compatible w/Smartphone Mobile Hotspot
Simple 200MB ??? $5 up to 200 MB, then 10 cents per MB ???
Unlimited Plus 2GB $20 $10 Up to 2 GB, then throttle Compatible w/smartphone hotspot for additional charge
Unlimited Premium 5 GB $35 $25 Up to 5 GB, then throttle Free hotspot/tethering
Unlimited Ultra 10 GB $65 $55 Up to 10 GB, then throttle Free hotspot/tethering

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For moving regular SIM to micro SIM info, technique..etc: http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=51448826&postcount=305

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Last Edited by green_key June 16, 2013 at 09:21 AM
DEAD
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update 04/29/2013
Only available to existing out of contract t-mobile customer by calling retention department. YMMV.

update 02/12/2013
Alive from Feb 13, 2013 to Mar 23, 2013. You get free add-a-line for value plan or $5 add-a-line on classic till Jan 2014


update 02/12/2013
Original deal is alive again from Feb 13, 2013 to Mar 23, 2013. You get free add-a-line for value plan or $5 add-a-line on classic till Jan 2014
........ Deal Ending TODAY (March 23, 2013)

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update 12/27/2012: Retention is still able to give this deal ...look at posting 1730
page 116 posting: http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=56416450&postcount=1730

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Nov 21, 2012: Dead ??? ...

Update Nov 21, 2012:
Value Plan:
$5 per line for 3rd, 4th or 5th line

Classic Plan:
$10 per line for 3rd, 4th or 5th line
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pro: Screen 4.7", Qualcomm Snapdragon(TM) S4 Pro, SlimPort HDMI, Android 4.2
cons: no microSD slot, LG (due to previous reputation on G2x phones), non removable battery, no T-Mobile WiFi Calling app

Bank of America has $75 cash back when sign up for a new line directly from T-Mobile retail stores & websites.
thanks & reps to maximmarkets. http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=54324804&postcount=14

t-mobile is giving out $50 Master Card gift card for NEW t-mobile value plan customers. Migrated grandfather customer will not qualify.
http://slickdeals.net/f/5664802-T-Mobile-Value-Plan-50-gift-card-for-NEW-customer-new-account-or-new-AAL?p=55823002#post55823002


UPDATE 10/18/2012: http://www.tmonews.com/2012/10/t-...b-minimum/http://www.tmonews.com/2012/10/t-...b-minimum/
As of Oct 10, 2012:
T-Mobile did change their data feature requirement for smartphones as of October 10th. Previously, T-Mobile allowed their 200MB data feature to meet the requirement with smartphone activation.
As of October 10th however, the smallest data package required for smartphone purchase moves to the 2GB plan, though this has no impact on existing customers already working with the 200MB plan.
  • If you get smartphone WITH value plan, then does it mean the NEW requirement is 2GB minimum??
  • Not sure how/if impacts costco smartphone w/required data -- > migrate value plan (is data still required?). Does paying migration fees to break contract means data requirement from previous contract is no longer valid? Maybe someone who recently gone through this process can comment ???
  • Not sure how/if impacts buy smartphone from t-mobile w/required data in old/classic plan -- > migrate value plan (is data still required?). Does paying migration fees to break contract means data requirement from previous contract is no longer valid? Maybe someone who recently gone through this process can comment ???

The big advantage over prepaid are....
- Unlimited any T-Mobile® to T-Mobile calling
- Unlimited nights and weekends
- Better data coverage since data roaming is included for postpaid (Voice roaming is included with postpaid and prepaid)
- Wi-Fi Calling from anywhere in the world does not use any in-plan minutes

The big advantage over post-paid are....
-It is much cheaper for single individual.
-you won't get hit with a unexpected bill.

For single line, going pre-paid (no contract) w/Tmobile is much cheaper, note pro & cons of pre-paid vs post-paid in wiki
http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/prepaid-plans

Tax on migration fees, and smartphone based on retail price

Quote from tastyriceboi View Post :
Just a warning for those who buy phones on craigslist. If the seller defaults on their payments or call in and say their phone was stolen/lost, the phones IMEI will be blacklisted and at this point it looks like there is no way to get off the blacklist. I've been trying to see if there are any sure ways to avoid this, but I haven't found anything that seems to avoid this situation. So just be cautious when you buy some of those newer phones like the S3, S2, One S and the amaze or sensation. Buying older phones should be more safe.
Wi-Fi Calling - this is a free add-on feature for any capable phone. For Value and Classic Plan, minutes are not taken out of any non-unlimited voice plan. If the majority of your phone calls take place while on a wifi network, then it might be in your best interest to look at the 1000-minute Value Plan. You will save $30/mo compared to the unlimited voice plan. Also note: any calls that start while on Wi-Fi Calling will drop as soon as you get out of the wifi network's range; calls that start on the cellular network will continue to be on the cellular network until the call ends (using your in-plan minutes).

Please remember that ETF on value plans upto $300 per line.Check the fine print
http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Pack...kages.aspx

Take an ADDITIONAL 10-% - 15% off your bill

Value Plan UNLIMITED ANY Mobile to ANY Mobile $10 per line
you wont see this advertised but its like a "hidden add-on"
Its worth it to throw the Unlimited Any Mobile to Any mobile on the "extra" lines with 500 minutes.

International Talk & Text - $15 per month/line Countries:
http://www.t-mobile.com/internati...rview.aspx

Andorra Argentina Australia Austria Bahamas Belgium Brazil Brunei Canada Chile
China Colombia Costa Rica Croatia Cyprus Dominican Republic Estonia France French Antilles FYROM
Germany Greece Guadeloupe Hong Kong Hungary India Ireland Israel Italy Japan
Jordan Latvia Luxembourg Macau Malaysia Mexico Netherlands New Zealand
Norway Panama Poland Portugal Romania Singapore Slovenia South Africa South Korea
Spain Switzerland Taiwan Thailand Turkey United Kingdom Uruguay Venezuela Zambia

200MB Data Add-on Features:

There are two types of 200MB data plans available. Both are $5/mo on the Value Plan. If you don't see either/both choices on-line, then you will need to call to get it added.

Data Add-on Classic Plan Value Plan 4G Speed Allowance Details
Simple 200MB $15? $5 Up to 200 MB, then 10 cents per MB ???
Simple 200MB Capped $15? $5 Up to 200 MB, then capped If data useage is very low, and you don't want to risk overages

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#1651
Quote from kelviiv View Post :
Hi

how sure are you of this?
I run a corporate owned t-mo store and haven't heard anything about the $0 AAL coming back.

Then again they usually don't tell us anything until the night before, but still. Usually I'd hear rumor of it in store before reading it on slickdeals....
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#1652
Quote from MozartA View Post :
In term of indoor signal strength, you have to blame it on Verizon and AT&T.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57500149-94/what-$3.9-billion-verizon-cable-spectrum-deal-means-to-you-faq/

As most people know and stated in that article, Lower frequencies can travel longer distances and penetrate through obstacles better than higher frequency spectrum. And because of how big and how rich Verizon and AT&T are, they bought all the lower frequencies spectrum. And leave the higher frequency one to Sprint and T-Mobile. So in term of indoor signal penetration, Verizon most likely will have better coverage than others.
It is really a bad cycle. Verizon plan cost more so they have more money and buy up more (better) radio spectrum. Then in turn they have more coverage, charge even more, and they have MORE money to buy up even more spectrum.
So really if you have decent coverage with T-mobile, Sprint, etc, should really support those or there is no one complete with Verizon/AT&T and their price will just keep increasing.
You are right - the data speed varies per the area/location where you are located. I should have been more clear that it is slow in the location where we reside. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. We have decent-good coverage with T-mobile voice and text.

Thanks to the folks woot on Slickdeals, we were able to avail the offer to add a line to our current value plan. $0 for the additional line until Nov 2014; and then $5 per month works well for our familial budget/finances! Smilie
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#1653
Quote from Reem View Post :
You are right - the data speed varies per the area/location where you are located. I should have been more clear that it is slow in the location where we reside. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. We have decent-good coverage with T-mobile voice and text.

Thanks to the folks woot on Slickdeals, we were able to avail the offer to add a line to our current value plan. $0 for the additional line until Nov 2014; and then $5 per month works well for our familial budget/finances! Smilie
did you really get until november 2014?
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#1654
well I hope the value plan add a line free deal does come back on 12/5 as reported here - my daughter has been asking for a new phone to get her away from the prepaid ripoff she's been on, and I already agreed to move us all onto t-mobile, along with my other 2 kids. I have an at&t sony phone from 5 years ago I'm still using on my at&t plan (long expired, no early termination issues for me), an old t-mobile prepaid handset, a reeaaally old nokia 3650 I had 7 years ago when I was on tmobile, and I'd like to get them all in use when I sign up for the tmobile value plan - should I expect any problems activating these handsets on tmobile value plan? Where's my best deal on a good touchscreen android phone I can give my daughter for the tmobile value plan, and another one for me? I'm trying for the best bang for the buck, so probably not going to go for the $$$ for an S3 or anything fancy. The phones shown on tmobile site for the value plan all suck, unless I'm missing something.
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#1655
can someone tell me the details on the Simple 200MB plan. this is what t-mobile website says:

<from website>
Simple
200 MB of high-speed data for emailing, checking news and weather $5.00 Per month

Select data

If you use your smartphone for occasional web surfing and e-mail, this should be enough data to meet your needs.

You won’t incur overages if you exceed your plan’s allotment of high-speed data, but your data speeds will be reduced for the rest of your billing cycle.

Your previous data usage may be counted against your plan’s new allotment of high-speed data.
</from website>

However, when I chat with t-mobile reps, they say what this thread's wiki says - you will be charged at $0.10 per MB of overage etc.

which is correct? anyone with experience? thanks.
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#1656
Quote from kelviiv View Post :
Hi

how sure are you of this?
I can't really answer this question with complete certainty since I only passed along what the rep told me.

Quote from deepasadish View Post :
can someone tell me the details on the Simple 200MB plan. this is what t-mobile website says:

<from website>
Simple
200 MB of high-speed data for emailing, checking news and weather $5.00 Per month

Select data

If you use your smartphone for occasional web surfing and e-mail, this should be enough data to meet your needs.

You won’t incur overages if you exceed your plan’s allotment of high-speed data, but your data speeds will be reduced for the rest of your billing cycle.

Your previous data usage may be counted against your plan’s new allotment of high-speed data.
</from website>

However, when I chat with t-mobile reps, they say what this thread's wiki says - you will be charged at $0.10 per MB of overage etc.

which is correct? anyone with experience? thanks.
The rep is correct, you might be reading it wrong on the site.
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#1657
Quote from nihaoffs View Post :
The rep is correct, you might be reading it wrong on the site.
attached is a snapshot.

it is also possible that - tmobile has not "updated" this yet?

found this post:http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=52741712&postcount=1042

so, is it possible that this "throttled 200mb" is the same plan as the above post?

EDIT - updated image to highlight referred "simple plan" text
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#1658
Quote from deepasadish View Post :
attached is a snapshot.

it is also possible that - tmobile has not "updated" this yet?

found this post:http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=52741712&postcount=1042

so, is it possible that this "throttled 200mb" is the same plan as the above post?
The plan you quoted on your earlier post was the "Simple plan" which is 200mb then overage charges. The one in your screenshot is a different plan, possibly the one referenced in that post you found that caps after 200mb rather than charge you extra.
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#1659
No word on if the previous value plan deal with add a line free is coming back tomorrow as reported?
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#1660
Quote from suhailtheboss View Post :
I run a corporate owned t-mo store and haven't heard anything about the $0 AAL coming back.

Then again they usually don't tell us anything until the night before, but still. Usually I'd hear rumor of it in store before reading it on slickdeals....

Welcome to the power of the internet and twitter as a news source. Its almost 2013
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#1661
Quote from XeoNoX View Post :
Welcome to the power of the internet and twitter as a news source. Its almost 2013
too cryptic for me. what's your point?
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#1662
Quote from XeoNoX View Post :
Welcome to the power of the internet and twitter as a news source. Its almost 2013
Patiently waiting....
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#1663
What's the deal with the t-mobile value plan - I read just about this entire thread, and I'm getting lost. Best bet for me is what?
I have no current t-mobile plan at all, on at&t but long past the end of my contract with them, I need 2 smart phones, would like to add 3 dumb phones for my kids, I have 3 dumb phones that should work on t-mobile, need 2 decent smart phones, don't care where they come from as long as they're cheap, would like good smart phones, ideal would be samsung s3, but s2 is fine, would take anything else if the price is right (need touchscreen for my daughter). No word on add a line free deal coming back today? Could I sign up for the 2 lines first, and wait & see if the add a line deal comes back in the next 2 weeks? Should I go to costco, sam's wholesale club, t-mobile store, or online someplace? I guess if I'm having my own phones activated, I need to bring them with me if I do the signup in a b&m store?
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Quote from Edxzxz View Post :
What's the deal with the t-mobile value plan - I read just about this entire thread, and I'm getting lost. Best bet for me is what?
I have no current t-mobile plan at all, on at&t but long past the end of my contract with them, I need 2 smart phones, would like to add 3 dumb phones for my kids, I have 3 dumb phones that should work on t-mobile, need 2 decent smart phones, don't care where they come from as long as they're cheap, would like good smart phones, ideal would be samsung s3, but s2 is fine, would take anything else if the price is right (need touchscreen for my daughter). No word on add a line free deal coming back today? Could I sign up for the 2 lines first, and wait & see if the add a line deal comes back in the next 2 weeks? Should I go to costco, sam's wholesale club, t-mobile store, or online someplace? I guess if I'm having my own phones activated, I need to bring them with me if I do the signup in a b&m store?
I'm renewing my contract with T-mobile tomorrow and I can ask about the free lines.
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#1665
Sorry folks, seems the deal is not coming back this year according to the couple reps I talked to earlier today. Seems the first one that told me it would come back today was talking out their ass.
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