Tax money paying for creationist educations in Louisiana

Quote from horskj : Yes…that lobby group is called “The Democratic Party”

I was going to say US Department of Education

Quote from horskj : …and you think that the Government and the teachers union are the ones to accomplish that? just how many kids do you currently have in the system?

it's the only way to accomplish that.

Quote from thikthird : it's the only way to accomplish that.

Why? Please provide evidence for your explanation too. Thanks!

Quote from thikthird : it's the only way to accomplish that.

Yes, please provide your evidence?

"Our national pooled analysis reveals, on the whole, a slightly negative picture of average charter
school performance nationwide."

http://credo.stanford.edu/mwg-int...xr6vMMSS6j

all the while diverting money from public schools and costing more per student.

of course there is comparative data, like un's education index which consistently ranks countries with the lowest private school participation well ahead of those with higher private school participation.

Quote from thikthird : "Our national pooled analysis reveals, on the whole, a slightly negative picture of average charter school performance nationwide." http://credo.stanford.edu/mwg-int...xr6vMMSS6j all the while diverting money from public schools and costing more per student. of course there is comparative data, like un's education index which consistently ranks countries with the lowest private school participation well ahead of those with higher private school participation.

Your evidence is from a Stanford biased website…that by the way your link does not work



Sorry I am going to take your site with a pound of salt, because your site that has an agenda

Quote from horskj : by the way your link does not work

Quote : your site that has an agenda

The article/site you can't read has an agenda? How do you know?

Quote from Danman114 : And this is exactly why I'm against school vouchers. Step one - Get the private schools on the government payroll. Step two - wait for them to depend on that funding, or at the very least, wait until only private schools with that funding still exist and the rest are put out of business. Step three - Find something you don't like about that school's religion or some other policy, and mold the private school to fit how people who don't go to that school to begin with want it to be.

I don't think requiring minimum academic standards for accepting tax money is infringing on a school's religion or policies.

Quote from horskj : Your evidence is from a Stanford biased website…that by the way your link does not work Sorry I am going to take your site with a pound of salt, because your site that has an agenda

first off, it's not a stanford biased site, it's a stanford site.

you would think, that since stanford is a private school, any agenda they'd have would be to show that private schooling produces a better outcome.

regardless, the study was done by stanford, hence why it's hosted on stanford's site.

if the site isn't working for all google "2009 stanford study charter schools". it's the first result, and the best/most comprehensive study on the effectiveness of charter schools.

Quote from vivahate : The article/site you can't read has an agenda? How do you know?

Sorry I should have elaborated… the link did not work so I did the work on my own to go to the website itself http://credo.stanford.edu only minus the /mwg-int...xr6vMMSS6j

After spending a little time at the site it was obvious “ they list on their site that they are there to advance public education” do you think they have some kind of an agenda?

Quote from darkfrog : I don't think requiring minimum academic standards for accepting tax money is infringing on a school's religion or policies.

If it infringes on their religous freedoms?

Look, I get it lots of people think creationists are crazy. I don't get them either. But the idea that they can't teach what they believe in schools because of government intervention is one of the worst kinds of intervention you can have.

Yes useing 'Nessie' as a real example is stupid. But we don't even know what kind of students we're talking about here. If these are first graders, who cares? They'll learn the truth later. Very little different between that, and public schools talking about Santa.

Quote from horskj : Sorry I should have elaborated… the link did not work so I did the work on my own to go to the website itself http://credo.stanford.edu only minus the /mwg-int...xr6vMMSS6j After spending a little time at the site it was obvious “ they list on their site that they are there to advance public education” do you think they have some kind of an agenda?

Thats strange, i cant find the line "there to advance public education" anywhere on their site

mind pointing it out to me?

all i see is

"
The Center for Research on Education Outcomes (CREDO) is committed to improving the body of empirical evidence about education reform and student performance at the primary and secondary levels. Established at the University of Rochester in 1999 and relocated to Stanford University one year later, CREDO has become a leading independent voice in the discussion of how to improve education in America, with an emphasis on rigorous program and policy analysis as the means of informing and improving education decision making.

Our primary aim at CREDO is to support educators and policymakers in using the insights that come from sound research to shape program and policy development. We focus on asking the right questions and delivering statistically sound answers as the basis for assessing the effectiveness of education initiatives. We also work to align expectations among key groups around how a quality school performs and how different stakeholders can work together to ensure accountability and academic excellence. "

Regardless your source is non existent so im not sure wtf your point is.

Quote from Gotchaforce : Thats strange, i cant find the line "there to advance public education" anywhere on their site mind pointing it out to me? all i see is " The Center for Research on Education Outcomes (CREDO) is committed to improving the body of empirical evidence about education reform and student performance at the primary and secondary levels. Established at the University of Rochester in 1999 and relocated to Stanford University one year later, CREDO has become a leading independent voice in the discussion of how to improve education in America, with an emphasis on rigorous program and policy analysis as the means of informing and improving education decision making. Our primary aim at CREDO is to support educators and policymakers in using the insights that come from sound research to shape program and policy development. We focus on asking the right questions and delivering statistically sound answers as the basis for assessing the effectiveness of education initiatives. We also work to align expectations among key groups around how a quality school performs and how different stakeholders can work together to ensure accountability and academic excellence. " Regardless your source is non existent so im not sure wtf your point is.

The exact quote on the site is:

“Rigorous Research to improve Public Education”
http://credo.stanford.edu/

Quote from horskj : Sorry I should have elaborated… the link did not work so I did the work on my own to go to the website itself http://credo.stanford.edu only minus the /mwg-int...xr6vMMSS6j After spending a little time at the site it was obvious “ they list on their site that they are there to advance public education” do you think they have some kind of an agenda?

why are you a compulsive liar?

Improving Education Decision Making
The Center for Research on Education Outcomes (CREDO) is committed to improving the body of empirical evidence about education reform and student performance at the primary and secondary levels. Established at the University of Rochester in 1999 and relocated to Stanford University one year later, CREDO has become a leading independent voice in the discussion of how to improve education in America, with an emphasis on rigorous program and policy analysis as the means of informing and improving education decision making.

Our primary aim at CREDO is to support educators and policymakers in using the insights that come from sound research to shape program and policy development. We focus on asking the right questions and delivering statistically sound answers as the basis for assessing the effectiveness of education initiatives. We also work to align expectations among key groups around how a quality school performs and how different stakeholders can work together to ensure accountability and academic excellence.

Quote from Danman114 : If it infringes on their religous freedoms? Look, I get it lots of people think creationists are crazy. I don't get them either. But the idea that they can't teach what they believe in schools because of government intervention is one of the worst kinds of intervention you can have. Yes useing 'Nessie' as a real example is stupid. But we don't even know what kind of students we're talking about here. If these are first graders, who cares? They'll learn the truth later. Very little different between that, and public schools talking about Santa.

no, it's the best and most necessarry kind of intervention. it is immoral and inhumane to stand by and let people be indoctrinated in such a manner.