Empire State building shooting: Cops fire 16 rounds and injure 9, kill shooter

Ive answered this question about 3-4 times now. Can you and devo remember anything??

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What's the difference whether I have a 75 rounds or 10 rounds if I shoot 0 to 10 rounds? No one says I have to use all 75. Though if I have to use all 75, but I only have 10, well, I'm a bit screwed. And I'm really screwed if the bad guy has 75 rounds if he doesn't care about capacity laws just like he doesn't care about doing other illegal things.

As I quoted myself above, you do realize I was talking about for the home, right?
With people talking about concealed-carry, are they forgetting the "concealed" part? It's pretty hard to conceal a 75-round drum. It's not even easy to conceal a 30-round mag unless maybe it's a backup and isn't already in the gun. On a good day, a CC'er is going to have about 15 rounds in the gun.

Back to the 16 rounds and 46 rounds stuff... how come it's "ok" for cops to do it, but not other citizens? Notice the quotes. No, it's not ok that cops injured nine innocent people. But what if those people weren't there? Why is it ok for cops to have no capacity limit but other people should be limited to 10? If you personally, Gotchaforce, don't argue for 10-round capacity limits, that's great. And then my question goes to the people who do argue for capacity limits.

New York's highly-trained officers needed 16 shots to stop one guy. New York's finest has just shown why their state's own 10-round capacity limit is a bunch of crap.

What "wild west shit?" Every time I turn on the news, generally the only people illegally shooting other people or shooting poorly are criminals and law enforcement.

You said you have guns. Why do you have guns, Gotchaforce? Are you afraid someone is going to break into your home, and you're going to pull some Jason Bourne moves on them?

A Highway Patrol Trooper pulled over a little old lady for a faulty taillight. When the officer approached the driver, she handed the officer her drivers license, insurance card and Concealed Carry Permit.

The officer took all the documents, looked them over and said. "Mrs. Smith, I see you have a CCP. Do you have any weapons with you?"
The little old lady replied, "Yes sir, I have a .357 handgun in a hip holster, a .45 in the glove box and a .22 derringer in my boot."
The officer looked at her and asked, "Anything else?"
"Yes sir, I have a Mossberg 500 12-gauge and an AR-15 in the trunk."

The officer asked if she was driving to or from a shooting range and the little old lady said she wasn't, so the officer said, "Mrs. Smith, you're carrying quite a few guns. May I ask what you are afraid of?"
The little old lady locked eyes with the officer and calmly answered, "Absolutely nothing."

Can you remember how to safely operate a firearm? because you need to be able to do that 100% of the time. With your erratic and irrational off the wall posts on this forum i would probably not want you anywhere near me

Can you remember how to safely operate a firearm? because you need to be able to do that 100% of the time. With your erratic and irrational off the wall posts on this forum i would probably not want you anywhere near me with a CCW at any public event, lest you forget how to safely operate a firearm, detect a threat, and empty countless numbers of rounds in that persons general direction. Seems like the definition of a loose cannon.

Ive answered this question about 3-4 times now. Can you and devo remember anything??

Can you remember how to safely operate a firearm? because you need to be able to do that 100% of the time. With your erratic and irrational off the wall posts on this forum i would probably not want you anywhere near me with a CCW at any public event, lest you forget how to safely operate a firearm, detect a threat, and empty countless numbers of rounds in that persons general direction. Seems like the definition of a loose cannon.

riiiiight...because posting on the internet is directly analogous to operating a firearm...you're really stretching here...

nonsense. If I'm a bad cook, does that mean I'm bad at basketball?

If youre posting off the wall irrational scenarios about how you need a high capacity mag in your pistol to take down 5 intruders in your house with 80 bullets (and you then unironically used the word "gun grabbers"), then it sounds like youve got some deep paranoid fears that might indicate mental illness and shouldnt be allowed to carry around a gun in public because youre a threat.

The Constitution does not agree with you. You don't have to be a champion marksman to pack heat. Sorry.

If youre posting off the wall irrational scenarios about how you need a high capacity mag in your pistol to take down 5 intruders in your house with 80 bullets (and you then unironically used the word "gun grabbers"), then it sounds like youve got some deep paranoid fears that might indicate mental illness and shouldnt be allowed to carry around a gun in public because youre a threat.

The fact that this is even debatable is only because theres a very small chunk of americans who believe we should arm everyone, the rest of the world doesnt want anything to do with you guys.
Just realize that most people in europe and canada dont ever touch or shoot a weapon in their lives... You are an extremely small minority

See this is scary as shit, youre basically saying that mentally ill people who are highly paranoid should be able to conceal carry?? wtf?

you are simply saying "well b-bb--bbut the constitution"

See this is scary as shit, youre basically saying that mentally ill people who are highly paranoid should be able to conceal carry?? wtf?

You arent even arguing that ive mischaracterized deus, you are simply saying "well b-bb--bbut the constitution"

no, allow me to clarify: just bear arms as the Constitution says. I am not a ccw holder, but I assume there is some evaluation process you have to go through right?

nonsense. If I'm a bad cook, does that mean I'm bad at basketball?

Heres a video of the event, police are saying that the shots "ricocheted" off of the planters and that its not reaaaaally their fault.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/25...gewanted=2