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Quote from kyotuosa : Largest client base in the history and making money without its full potential. Toxic in what way? It's overvalued because it haven't figure out a way to effectively monetize its client base, but what if FB figure it out. Then, it becomes severely undervalued. Groupon is weapon grade toxin, you are comparing it to FB? Conclusion: Mom and pop novice shouldn't touch IPO.

Do you think they'll ever monetize it to a point where it becomes a $100 billion market cap company where it IPO'ed at? That's more than MCD or Mastercard, or even Visa (at one point last year), which are incredibly solid businesses IMO. Sorry, I just dont see it happening. They can't just directly come out and go to a subscription model as that would likely be the beginning of the end for them. It's a really difficult road IMO.

Quote from kyotuosa : Largest client base in the history and making money without its full potential. Toxic in what way? It's overvalued because it haven't figure out a way to effectively monetize its client base, but what if FB figure it out. Then, it becomes severely undervalued. Groupon is weapon grade toxin, you are comparing it to FB? Conclusion: Mom and pop novice shouldn't touch IPO.

Uh...users are not Facebook's client base. Unless you consider selling those $1 e-gifts from early 2000s as their business model.

man, some reports are dividend funds,etfs have run their course, that's too late to get in them if you didnt get in them at the beginning of 2012 if not further back... but, with bank account and money market accounts giving you crap for so many years, they dont have much lower to drop, and they are gonna stay there for the next 3 yrs lol minimum... the only place to get some return would be to get into high dividend stock or dividen funds, etfs.... think there's a bubble in these sectors? i dont mind buying into them for the dividends they give, i do mind if their market value tanks in the next 24 months.

Quote from huevos : Uh...users are not Facebook's client base. Unless you consider selling those $1 e-gifts from early 2000s as their business model.

Are you aware search engine advertising are based on amount of users? lol $1 e-gift?

Quote from rrc06 : Do you think they'll ever monetize it to a point where it becomes a $100 billion market cap company where it IPO'ed at? That's more than MCD or Mastercard, or even Visa (at one point last year), which are incredibly solid businesses IMO. Sorry, I just dont see it happening. They can't just directly come out and go to a subscription model as that would likely be the beginning of the end for them. It's a really difficult road IMO.

You are talking about Toxic asset which means financial asset that has no value whatsoever and yet, here you are still talking about FB is overvalued. Which I agreed in the first post.
Look at Google, Linkedin, Amazon. They are valued differently than McDonald & Mastercard.

Quote from kyotuosa : Are you aware search engine advertising are based on amount of users? lol $1 e-gift?

Users != Clients.

Users on Facebook are the product. Clients are the advertisers who pay money (yes, actual money) to reach the audience.

Are you a "client" of NBC/ABC/FOX/CBS? Are you a "client" of the NTY, WSJ, etc.? Are you a "client" of Facebook? The answers to all of the above are the same.

Quote from kyotuosa : You are talking about Toxic asset which means financial asset that has no value whatsoever .

Not necessarily. FB is worth something.... no one seems to know what that is (Least of all, probably the underwriters LOL). It's toxic in how it has treated public investors thus far.

Quote from huevos : Users != Clients. Users on Facebook are the product. Clients are the advertisers who pay money (yes, actual money) to reach the audience. Are you a "client" of NBC/ABC/FOX/CBS? Are you a "client" of the NTY, WSJ, etc.? Are you a "client" of Facebook? The answers to all of the above are the same.

Feel free to use your own definition but you'd have hard time communicate with the rest of the world.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/client

3. A person using the services of a social services agency.

Quote from rrc06 : Not necessarily. FB is worth something.... no one seems to know what that is (Least of all, probably the underwriters LOL). It's toxic in how it has treated public investors thus far.

First of all, you took my words out of context. While you coined your own definition of Toxic company. Here is what it means.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/renee...any-toxic/

Quote from kyotuosa : Feel free to use your own definition but you'd have hard time communicate with the rest of the world. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/client 3. A person using the services of a social services agency.

If you want to talk business, specifically about corporations whose business models revolve almost entirely around advertising (TV networks, print, Google, Facebook, etc.), "clients" refer entirely to the advertisers seeking exposure in exchange for money. Call an audience member a "client" in this context, and be prepared to be laughed out of the room.

But sure, continue to use freedictionary.com as a market guide.

Quote from huevos : If you want to talk business, specifically about corporations whose business models revolve almost entirely around advertising (TV networks, print, Google, Facebook, etc.), "clients" refer entirely to the advertisers seeking exposure in exchange for money. Call an audience member a "client" in this context, and be prepared to be laughed out of the room. But sure, continue to use freedictionary.com as a market guide.

You could also grab Webster if you like...

If you don't know the definition of a word, please don't try to correct others.

Quote from kyotuosa : You could also grab Webster if you like... If you don't know the definition of a word, please don't try to correct others.

Let's try this another way. Find me a single credible reference calling a Facebook end user a client. Or to make it more general (for your benefit), find me a reference calling a television audience member a client.

Now you'll have to excuse me, I'm an important ESPN client and I'm watching Manning getting rocked.

Quote from huevos : Let's try this another way. Find me a single credible reference calling a Facebook end user a client. Or to make it more general (for your benefit), find me a reference calling a television audience member a client. Now you'll have to excuse me, I'm an important ESPN client and I'm watching Manning getting rocked.

Lets try this another way. Go find a tutor that can teach you how to read or memorize the definition of a word. So, you can communicate to the rest of the world instead of making up your own definition.

Quote from kabukicho : when's the 'crash'?

When everyone thinks it cannot happen.

Quote from rrc06 : Now if you want to split hairs, FB isn't as toxic as GRPN or ZNGA, I'll give you that.

Shame your emotions have overruled your trading sense. I've owned both on and off for the past couple weeks and have banked some nice coin. ZNGA, in particular, is an easy double bagger if it decides to get going.

In the not too distant future, I'd be willing to bet you'll hear more "damn, I missed FB" whining after it sends the rest of the shorts sprinting to the exit.

Quote from kyotuosa : First of all, you took my words out of context. While you coined your own definition of Toxic company. Here is what it means. http://www.forbes.com/sites/renee...any-toxic/

Toxic can be have multiple uses, not just what some article in Forbes tells you. You're all over the place. Before, you were saying a toxic asset/stock has zero value, now you're saying something different.

From Merriam webster:

Definition of TOXIC

Quote : 1 : containing or being poisonous material especially when capable of causing death or serious debilitation <toxic waste> <a toxic radioactive gas> <an insecticide highly toxic to birds> 2 : exhibiting symptoms of infection or toxicosis <the patient became toxic two days later> 3 : extremely harsh, malicious, or harmful <toxic sarcasm> 4 : relating to or being an asset that has lost so much value that it cannot be sold on the market

I was referring to FB using definition #3. Most would agree with me that FB has been nothing but toxic to investors thus far (at least the buy and hold ones)

Quote from rrc06 : Toxic can be have multiple uses, not just what some article in Forbes tells you. You're all over the place. Before, you were saying a toxic asset/stock has zero value, now you're saying something different. From Merriam webster: Definition of TOXIC I was referring to FB using definition #3. Most would agree with me that FB has been nothing but toxic to investors thus far (at least the buy and hold ones)

Actually you said "Facebook is toxic"

Then I asked "toxic in what way?" while when facebook [company] is toxic is used and defined http://slickdeals.net/?sdtid=5161...y-toxic%2F
the article also contains the explanation of toxic asset which apparently you haven't read or can't comprehend.
The end result is claiming I am "saying something different"

5 posts later, you post " It's toxic in how it has treated public investors thus far. "

So to make your definition work it should have been, Facebook is toxic to the intial investors who bought the shares.
NOT Facebook is toxic which would refer to their company/asset would is actually toxic - worthless.
Hence you are making your own definition by writing incomplete sentences.

Lets entertain the idea that using definition 3, Facebook is extremely harsh, malicious, or harmful? WTF does that even mean?
It could only work if you said Facebook is extremely harsh, malicious, or harmful to the intial investor, while you never did till 6 posts later. Again, one could only assume you are saying the company is toxic.