Sony NEX-5N 16.0MP Compact Interchangeable Lens Camera w/ 18-55mm Lens + Sony 16GB SDHC + Vivitar Wireless Shutter Remote + Case + Adobe Elements & Premiere Elements 10 $499

is this thing pocketable. I've never seen these camera's in person. Is it like lens in one pocket and the body in another then you have to put them together to take a picture if you plan on pocketing them? Or is it with the lens on the body it's only 1 9/16" width like the description says.

Quote from kind : is this thing pocketable. I've never seen these camera's in person. Is it like lens in one pocket and the body in another then you have to put them together to take a picture if you plan on pocketing them? Or is it with the lens on the body it's only 1 9/16" width like the description says.

Nope, definitely not pocketable, even with one of the pancake lenses. It IS significantly smaller and lighter than a DSLR, though. You could get by carrying a lens in one cargo shorts pocket and the camera body in another, but that's not what I would consider "pocketable."

If you want a truly pocketable camera that approaches DSLR or micro 4/3 quality, look into the Sony RX100.

great camera, bought mine for 615 three months ago. retailers are clearing stock for the 5R.

Quote from kind : is this thing pocketable. I've never seen these camera's in person. Is it like lens in one pocket and the body in another then you have to put them together to take a picture if you plan on pocketing them? Or is it with the lens on the body it's only 1 9/16" width like the description says.

pancake lens yeah but youll need like cargo shorts type pockets. not the steve jobs style jeans.

Yeah, not at all pocketable, even with a tiny pancake lens.

The only current camera that delivers "big camera" results in a small package is the Sony RX100.

That being said, this is a stellar camera with astounding IQ. Think D7000 quality in something about 1/3 the size.

What's adobe soft worth on ebay or CL?

Looks like there is an issue with the listing. Why would you want TWO OF THE EXACT SAME LENSES?

Judging by the picture, I think they mean the SEL55210 - 55-210mm Zoom Lens as the second one.
Hope this helps

Quote from BlitzAction : Looks like there is an issue with the listing. Why would you want TWO OF THE EXACT SAME LENSES? Judging by the picture, I think they mean the SEL55210 - 55-210mm Zoom Lens as the second one. Hope this helps

Yes...second bundle includes the SEL55210 - 55-210mm Zoom Lens as the second lens included

I still say...there are two classes of cameras: Those that fit in your pocket, and those that don't.

Since this is the latter, it's not much better than a DSLR (and has fewer lenses to boot, and slower AF), unless you plan to use adapted manual legacy lenses.

And in that sense, it's better than u4/3, which is smaller still yet not small enough.

No VF and no flash is also a bit of a neg in my book.

Here's an interesting comparison with a small DSLR A-55 (which goes for $400). It loses 0.4 stops due to the SLT mirror. Would be more telling to compare size and weight with the kit lens.

http://snapsort.com/compare/Sony-...ny_SLT-A55

No intent to TC or say which would be better for you....just for the sake of comparison for those looking at unpocketable cameras. I almost got one to upgrade my u4/3 to use with some M42 lenses and my Minolta 58mm 1.2.

is it possible to have a DSLR/mirrorless that is ~1" or skinnier. I mean is it definitely going to be coming out soon or do we still have a long way to go. I 'am camera stupid as you can tell. I don't know if its physically impossible because of the lenses or we just aren't there yet.

Quote from kind : is this thing pocketable. I've never seen these camera's in person. Is it like lens in one pocket and the body in another then you have to put them together to take a picture if you plan on pocketing them? Or is it with the lens on the body it's only 1 9/16" width like the description says.

I was able to carry the 5N with the 18-55mm kit lens (connected) in a single cargo pocket without issue. While I wouldn't be running around with skinny jeans attempting this, it isn't as bad as many make it out to be.
The other overlooked item here in regards to size is that I can have this in my hands all day with little fatigue vs a much larger DSLR.

dpreview has this rated higher on image quality and low light sensitivity than quite a few dslr's like Canon's T3i and Nikon's D7000. (Unless I'm not reading the "compare" box right, I'm just starting to look into good cameras)

My wife wants an entry-level DSLR but if this has better image quality than the T3i she has her eye on, and it's less expensive, than would this be recommended?

Quote from minfordgolfer : dpreview has this rated higher on image quality and low light sensitivity than quite a few dslr's like Canon's T3i and Nikon's D7000. (Unless I'm not reading the "compare" box right, I'm just starting to look into good cameras) My wife wants an entry-level DSLR but if this has better image quality than the T3i she has her eye on, and it's less expensive, than would this be recommended?

I don't know much about this camera, but from a very quick look at it, it has neither a flash nor a hotshoe to mount one (though it may have a proprietary mount or add-on). That alone seriously limits it in my view. It also has a limited lens selection. I guess it's up to you whether or not those two limitations, among what are probably a list of others, are worth what must be, at best, a very small advantage in image quality (and I'm taking your word for it on that one).