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Quote from pas008 : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Pro...6824001317 so is this 1152p?

Damn someone has wayyy too much time on their hands. Go outside, socialize and meet new people. It is obvious you need to really, really badly.

Also, I owned a 2343BWX and I don't know whether it would be called 1152p or not but it was an awesome monitor.

I disagreed workstation quadros are about the only card used to something major outside gaming. Which I'm sure this card could process some of that too but it's not designed for it. Granted the card could do plenty of other things well the thing it would do best is gaming point blank. Your comparisons are flawed as well the top Tier HDTV market has dropped price big time over the years and Top tier graphic cards have hardly even budged since they came out. The problem is there is very little competition in this market and that's why the prices stand strong. I don't think many companies want to touch into the market either due to the customer base being so small as well. I agree that you could argue that plenty of hobbies have enthusiast level products that are insanely priced. but it would still be nice to see a little more competition in the PC gaming market. Since you now have consoles doing it much cheaper.

Quote from Mike C : These cards aren't just for gaming, but even if that is the ONLY reason why someone is purchasing it, if the person has the $ and derives satisfaction from owning it, whats the harm? You personally may not feel spending that kind of $ makes sense on a video card, but we are not talking about a pair of jean that costs $500 because of the brand that it is on. The processing power, engineering, parts, etc. that goes into making these cards isn't cheap. There is a market for these cards, and good thing there is too, given just like F1 race cars, the profits made from selling these high end cards for those that can afford and choose to spend their $ on these cards allows for the companies R&D to work on amazing things like this card, and everything they learn and build trickles down in one form or another to their entire line of cards, even the sub $100 cards. If it weren't for the high-end market driving these companies to build these beasts, then I am quite certain that video cards and gaming in general wouldn't be nearly as incredible as it is today. Generally speaking, the progress in video cards and gaming (and electronics in general) in the last 30 years or so has been INCREDIBLE when it comes to evolution. The same types of people who spend the big bucks on the latest and greatest gaming technologies translates across all consumer products... if no one bought CD players, DVD players, flat panel TVs, etc. when they first came out at their incredibly high prices, then those technologies would have probably died. Same thing could be said about just any consumer driven industry, if it weren't for the enthusiasts that drove the different industries, who knows where we would be today, but I guarantee that we wouldn't have all of the cool toys at the incredibly cheap prices relative to what the same type of tech would have cost 30 years ago, 20 years, ago, etc. So you can judge those who choose to put their money where their enthusiasm lies, but big picture, they are the ones that have driven the technology age that we now find ourselves in. Unless you live in a cave, you have them to thank for many of the things you probably enjoy every day.

Quote from shackle101 : I disagreed workstation quadros are about the only card used to something major outside gaming. Which I'm sure this card could process some of that too but it's not designed for it. Granted the card could do plenty of other things well the thing it would do best is gaming point blank. Your comparisons are flawed as well the top Tier HDTV market has dropped price big time over the years and Top tier graphic cards have hardly even budged since they came out. The problem is there is very little competition in this market and that's why the prices stand strong. I don't think many companies want to touch into the market either due to the customer base being so small as well. I agree that you could argue that plenty of hobbies have enthusiast level products that are insanely priced. but it would still be nice to see a little more competition in the PC gaming market. Since you now have consoles doing it much cheaper.

First, you are taking my comparison of the other consumer electronics a bit too literal. If you shop around, there are still examples of extremely high priced DVD players, LCD TVs, Receivers, Pre-Pros, etc. that are the bleeding edge hand have made far fewer sacrifices, have the latest and greatest advancements, and are expensive as hell, just like this 690 (relatively speaking), and HT / A/V enthusiasts pay the thousands for a DVD player to get these top of the line features because that is their thing, more power to them, as over time many of the things you could only get in a a $5K receiver 5 years ago you can now get in a $400 one.

That trickle down would never have happened had there not been a market for the top end items that have the higher cost and margin to pay for the R&D required to produced those products, but once completed, retrofitting those advancements with a few compromises in far cheaper devices is possible and common place. Without those early adopters, that would have NOT been the case, where else would the money have come from? Same exact thing with video cards, CPUs, etc., sure the top of the line of computer components are expensive as hell, but you can buy trickle down GPUs that are 1/5 of the price that perform as well as top of the line cards only a few generations ago, so the same technology trickle down effect is at play. That was my point, that the market that purchases the top of the line stuff help fund the companies to produce much higher value solutions for those that aren't capable or willing to lay down top dollar for top of the line stuff. That same phenomenon occurs in almost every technology consumer product, from cars to tables to ereaders to guns and knives even. Anything that is comprised of technology or requires technology to fabricate.


I will agree with you that it would be nice to have more than two real competitors when it comes to the actual GPUs (I don't really include Intel with their HD embedded series for obvious reasons). But, to me it sure looks like just the two major competitors are enough to motivate each of them enough to "win" based on the past few generations of cards. I also admit that I haven't looked at the Quadros in a while, mainly because when I did look at (and even purchase a few) a few years back, they were a bit better (usually in the memory department, the GPUs were the same), but their prices were much higher, no ROI for me. Tthat was back when HDD (especially) memory and CPU was a bigger constraint.

My biggest point is that as you stated these top of the line cards are "grossly" overpriced. Sure $900 is a lot to spend (or more if you paid MSRP or above), buy you are getting two 680 GPUs that are top of the line with billions of transistors each(3072 CUDA cores total), the capability of those processors is incredible. I am going to say with today;s technology available, these cards may be a little high, but not grossly over priced, especially not with this deal. Some applications already take advantage of that CUDA processing power, which I use, but they are hard to find, I hope that the use of video card processing catch on more in the consumer software market. In the Enterprise Market it already has, check out: http://supercomputingblog.com/, quote "Most applications that use CUDA have experienced a massive speedup of anywhere from 2x to 200x.". Sure the high end cards could be cheaper, but the companies need to make some profit to reinvest, but unlike paying $500 for a pair of Jeans, IMO you are getting a lot more for your $, specifically a cutting edge card with 2 of the top of the line current generation NVidia GPUs on a single card that normally sell around $500 each, especially important for those who would like to run quad SLI, where even with a PCIE bridge chip adding 16 lanes, it isn't enough to do quad SLI any other way without getting penalized by losing the ability ti add ANY other PCIE peripherals (unless you get a monster MB), but in any Z77 board I have seen you would lose ALL of your PCIE slots... even in the "best" 1155 boards, like my ASUS Z77 Premium, where with my LSILogic 9266-4i where i need a PCIE slot with high bandwidth considering what I have on it, the 690 solves that problem as well, as preventing my having to go out and spend gobs of $ on an X79 / Xeon solution (although I would sur elove to have one, but the cumulative cost for that and al of the part I have already invested in and would nee to invest in are cost prohibitive for me ).

For some reason, the CPU and GPU markets always seem to settle down to 2 competitors which seems to be driving innovations just fine, i.e. there used to be more than two in the past, but in every case that I can remember, the additional competitors didn't last long at all, and they all had inferior products. Even the RISC based CPUs are going the way of the DODO with the incredible power and cost different between those (for AIX, HP-UX, Solaris, etc.) vs. their ix86 builds that can run on Xeon hardware that performs better for a 10th of the price for the servers. Our 30,000+ server environment with 20PB of data an 1M a month in electricity bills (just to give a rough idea of our size, roughly midsize DC) is AGGRESSIVELY migrating all applications that we can to ix86 platform on RHEL vs. the older AIX/HP-UX RISC systems, and are saving 10s of millions by doing so.

I don't think this would have been possible had the consumer and enterprise sector not embraced the ix86 platforms and driven Intel to aggressively improve their capabilities, while those in the RISC markets (usually the same vendors like HP, IBM, etc.) weren't even coming close from generation to generation on improvements vs. the ix86 platform (I am talking both chipset and CPU capabilities themselves. The best part is that as we migrate from RISC to ix86, we save tons of MONEY *and* we get much better performance for that lower price, much lower power consumption, support is easier, upgrades are much cheaper, hardware choices are much more varied, etc. I think a lot of this was driven by BOTH the consumer markets and enterprise markets... all those folks spending their hard earned cash on the top of the line CPUs from Intel for their rigs showed demand, heck even enterprise class configurations are coming to the enthusiast market again with 2011 socket X79... it has been a while since that has happened and been embraced ( I used to run Tomcat or Super-micro DUAL CPU PCs maybe 10 years ago, which wasn't that cheap, but it did provide noticeable gains in everything given how slow CPUs were back then). Even Apple saw the light on how good the ix86 technology has progressed and threw in the towel on their line of chips to go with ix86 based platforms.

Now that SSDs are becoming main stream, we are at a whole new level of capabilities and speed, where the previous storage bottle neck (only previous solved by having tons of magnetic drives in parallel over iSCSI or fiber in large NAS/SAN configs) has been provided for in a much cheaper solution and accessible to the consumer (see LSI-Logic's 9266-4i with an Intel 24 port SAS expander card and Cache Cade Pro 2 capabilities, where using 512 GB of SSD cache in front of a 20 or more TB array makes the whole array feel to perform at the speed of the SSDs if you configure Write Back mode (in my case 4 SSDs in RAID 0, very nice through put). Total investment for EVERYTHING above around $1000 including the ~19 TB of nice storage drives(in RAID 6), the SSDs, the SCSI card with Addons, and the Intel Expander.

Put all of this together, and I believe that both enterprise and consumer demand coupled with the competition from the "other contender" have driven improvements and innovation quite quickly, and both companies having crappy generation releases in their past(Bulldozer, P4) has also helped them learn what not to do. and how quickly the masses will shift to the other guy if you screw up.

If you just want to be able to buy a 690 at $200 because you cannot afford more (which is what it really comes down to, otherwise I don't think you would even have made a comment in the first place unless you wanted one and they are out of your reach financially, where your comparisons kind of indicate as much by saying this is almost a mortgage payment... where that really depends on what your mortgage is, assuming you haven't paid off your house, or a cheap car that will most likely need 5 times the work in $ than you paid for it to get it reliable, so not really a fair comparison ). Or maybe in your case the opportunity cost just isn't worth it to you. That is cool, I understand, been there for years, just worked my ass of so that I did have the ability to spend the money on stuff like this everyone in a while. And perhaps in 5 years you probably will be able to get these for $200, but by then of course there will hopefully be cards in the $200 range of then current technologies that will blow this one out of the water, again enabled by the constant cash infusions from enthusiasts buying up the enthusiast cards as they are released with a healthy margin that these companies are clearly reinvesting in R&D. As soon as that reinvestment in R&D slows on the other hand, that will be the time of suckage, lets hope that the respective company's leadership doesn't get too greedy in that respect .

Quote from mike c : first, you are taking my comparison of the other consumer electronics a bit too literal. If you shop around, there are still examples of extremely high priced dvd players, lcd tvs, receivers, pre-pros, etc. That are the bleeding edge hand have made far fewer sacrifices, have the latest and greatest advancements, and are expensive as hell, just like this 690 (relatively speaking), and ht / a/v enthusiasts pay the thousands for a dvd player to get these top of the line features because that is their thing, more power to them, as over time many of the things you could only get in a a $5k receiver 5 years ago you can now get in a $400 one. That trickle down would never have happened had there not been a market for the top end items that have the higher cost and margin to pay for the r&d required to produced those products, but once completed, retrofitting those advancements with a few compromises in far cheaper devices is possible and common place. Without those early adopters, that would have not been the case, where else would the money have come from? Same exact thing with video cards, cpus, etc., sure the top of the line of computer components are expensive as hell, but you can buy trickle down gpus that are 1/5 of the price that perform as well as top of the line cards only a few generations ago, so the same technology trickle down effect is at play. That was my point, that the market that purchases the top of the line stuff help fund the companies to produce much higher value solutions for those that aren't capable or willing to lay down top dollar for top of the line stuff. That same phenomenon occurs in almost every technology consumer product, from cars to tables to ereaders to guns and knives even. Anything that is comprised of technology or requires technology to fabricate. I will agree with you that it would be nice to have more than two real competitors when it comes to the actual gpus (i don't really include intel with their hd embedded series for obvious reasons). But, to me it sure looks like just the two major competitors are enough to motivate each of them enough to "win" based on the past few generations of cards. I also admit that i haven't looked at the quadros in a while, mainly because when i did look at (and even purchase a few) a few years back, they were a bit better (usually in the memory department, the gpus were the same), but their prices were much higher, no roi for me. Tthat was back when hdd (especially) memory and cpu was a bigger constraint. My biggest point is that as you stated these top of the line cards are "grossly" overpriced. Sure $900 is a lot to spend (or more if you paid msrp or above), buy you are getting two 680 gpus that are top of the line with billions of transistors each(3072 cuda cores total), the capability of those processors is incredible. I am going to say with today;s technology available, these cards may be a little high, but not grossly over priced, especially not with this deal. Some applications already take advantage of that cuda processing power, which i use, but they are hard to find, i hope that the use of video card processing catch on more in the consumer software market. In the enterprise market it already has, check out: http://supercomputingblog.com/, quote "most applications that use cuda have experienced a massive speedup of anywhere from 2x to 200x.". Sure the high end cards could be cheaper, but the companies need to make some profit to reinvest, but unlike paying $500 for a pair of jeans, imo you are getting a lot more for your $, specifically a cutting edge card with 2 of the top of the line current generation nvidia gpus on a single card that normally sell around $500 each, especially important for those who would like to run quad sli, where even with a pcie bridge chip adding 16 lanes, it isn't enough to do quad sli any other way without getting penalized by losing the ability ti add any other pcie peripherals (unless you get a monster mb), but in any z77 board i have seen you would lose all of your pcie slots... Even in the "best" 1155 boards, like my asus z77 premium, where with my lsilogic 9266-4i where i need a pcie slot with high bandwidth considering what i have on it, the 690 solves that problem as well, as preventing my having to go out and spend gobs of $ on an x79 / xeon solution (although i would sur elove to have one, but the cumulative cost for that and al of the part i have already invested in and would nee to invest in are cost prohibitive for me ). For some reason, the cpu and gpu markets always seem to settle down to 2 competitors which seems to be driving innovations just fine, i.e. There used to be more than two in the past, but in every case that i can remember, the additional competitors didn't last long at all, and they all had inferior products. Even the risc based cpus are going the way of the dodo with the incredible power and cost different between those (for aix, hp-ux, solaris, etc.) vs. Their ix86 builds that can run on xeon hardware that performs better for a 10th of the price for the servers. Our 30,000+ server environment with 20pb of data an 1m a month in electricity bills (just to give a rough idea of our size, roughly midsize dc) is aggressively migrating all applications that we can to ix86 platform on rhel vs. The older aix/hp-ux risc systems, and are saving 10s of millions by doing so. I don't think this would have been possible had the consumer and enterprise sector not embraced the ix86 platforms and driven intel to aggressively improve their capabilities, while those in the risc markets (usually the same vendors like hp, ibm, etc.) weren't even coming close from generation to generation on improvements vs. The ix86 platform (i am talking both chipset and cpu capabilities themselves. The best part is that as we migrate from risc to ix86, we save tons of money *and* we get much better performance for that lower price, much lower power consumption, support is easier, upgrades are much cheaper, hardware choices are much more varied, etc. I think a lot of this was driven by both the consumer markets and enterprise markets... All those folks spending their hard earned cash on the top of the line cpus from intel for their rigs showed demand, heck even enterprise class configurations are coming to the enthusiast market again with 2011 socket x79... It has been a while since that has happened and been embraced ( i used to run tomcat or super-micro dual cpu pcs maybe 10 years ago, which wasn't that cheap, but it did provide noticeable gains in everything given how slow cpus were back then). Even apple saw the light on how good the ix86 technology has progressed and threw in the towel on their line of chips to go with ix86 based platforms. Now that ssds are becoming main stream, we are at a whole new level of capabilities and speed, where the previous storage bottle neck (only previous solved by having tons of magnetic drives in parallel over iscsi or fiber in large nas/san configs) has been provided for in a much cheaper solution and accessible to the consumer (see lsi-logic's 9266-4i with an intel 24 port sas expander card and cache cade pro 2 capabilities, where using 512 gb of ssd cache in front of a 20 or more tb array makes the whole array feel to perform at the speed of the ssds if you configure write back mode (in my case 4 ssds in raid 0, very nice through put). Total investment for everything above around $1000 including the ~19 tb of nice storage drives(in raid 6), the ssds, the scsi card with addons, and the intel expander. Put all of this together, and i believe that both enterprise and consumer demand coupled with the competition from the "other contender" have driven improvements and innovation quite quickly, and both companies having crappy generation releases in their past(bulldozer, p4) has also helped them learn what not to do. And how quickly the masses will shift to the other guy if you screw up. If you just want to be able to buy a 690 at $200 because you cannot afford more (which is what it really comes down to, otherwise i don't think you would even have made a comment in the first place unless you wanted one and they are out of your reach financially, where your comparisons kind of indicate as much by saying this is almost a mortgage payment... Where that really depends on what your mortgage is, assuming you haven't paid off your house, or a cheap car that will most likely need 5 times the work in $ than you paid for it to get it reliable, so not really a fair comparison ). Or maybe in your case the opportunity cost just isn't worth it to you. That is cool, i understand, been there for years, just worked my ass of so that i did have the ability to spend the money on stuff like this everyone in a while. And perhaps in 5 years you probably will be able to get these for $200, but by then of course there will hopefully be cards in the $200 range of then current technologies that will blow this one out of the water, again enabled by the constant cash infusions from enthusiasts buying up the enthusiast cards as they are released with a healthy margin that these companies are clearly reinvesting in r&d. As soon as that reinvestment in r&d slows on the other hand, that will be the time of suckage, lets hope that the respective company's leadership doesn't get too greedy in that respect .

Quote from pas008 : I'm sry using 1440p makes you sound dumb its not a standard its what uniformed people use do ips monitors say 1440p? no they advertise as 2560x1440 res look at everyone of them they will never say 1440p

You have no right to call someone dumb when think sorry can be spelled "sry".... 1440p is the same as saying 1080p. Most average consumers know that 1080p is 1920 X 1080 pixels....


1440p = 2560 X 1440

So you just made yourself look like an ass. Good job!

Quote from giga73 : price mistake? someone go post this on hardforums. it'll be gone instantly.

~$900 is considered cheap?

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rofl

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Quote from darkchaostitan : ~$900 is considered cheap?

you didn't know? It has a white cover material outside. I think it was made with platinum. That's justifying the price.

Quote from amoghthegamer : You have no right to call someone dumb when think sorry can be spelled "sry".... 1440p is the same as saying 1080p. Most average consumers know that 1080p is 1920 X 1080 pixels.... 1440p = 2560 X 1440 So you just made yourself look like an ass. Good job!

lol at underlined this is a forum do i have to point this out constantly, oh i is lowercased on a forum i'm an idiot right maybe i should spell check and stop abbreviations on my texts messages too, get real
2ndly average consumers couldnt even come close to telling you that 1080p is 1920x1080 resolution, and again 1440p is not a standard so its not the same
whats next saying dynamic contrast ratio really means something?

have a good week,

Quote from pas008 : lol at underlined this is a forum do i have to point this out constantly, oh i is lowercased on a forum i'm an idiot right maybe i should spell check and stop abbreviations on my texts messages too, get real 2ndly average consumers couldnt even come close to telling you that 1080p is 1920x1080 resolution, and again 1440p is not a standard so its not the same have a good week,

I did not type "you" and I admit it was a mistake on my part. Perhaps you should learn to use commas while you are spell checking. You are grammatically incorrect for not capitalizing each of your i's. Also, "2ndly" instead of secondly? Are you that lazy and incompetent to type out your words? You are not text messaging. You have a physical keyboard in front of you so learn how to use it.

Now on to your facts. Average consumers does know what 1080p stands for. You are correct about the 1440p not being a standard, yet 1080p was not the standard just a few years ago....

Just wait one month or two more and the price will be at $500-$600. Theres really not even that many games that need all this power. Even a 580GTX can do it all

Quote from x2ruff4u : Just wait one month or two more and the price will be at $500-$600. Theres really not even that many games that need all this power. Even a 580GTX can do it all

I'll bet you a FAR license for Norton Internet Security for 3 computers that this card isn't $500-$600 in 2-3 months NEW (not including door busters, although I doubt even that will happen). This is still a relatively new generation for NVidia, they aren't even finished rolling out the different variants of the GPUs from this generation yet. The top of the line vid card doesn't even drop for 40-50% from MSRP after the NEXT generation is out, much less while it is still current.

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LOL, I don't blame you, friends don't let friends type drunk after reading freakonomics, too bad I was alone.

The summary of my monster post is that I think that this card is worth every penny and more, at least it is to me, and perhaps a few other folks out there. if it isn't to you, the fele free to go read the posts on 580s, 580s, 670s, 660TIs, or whatever floats you boat. This cards was worth every penny that I paid for it and then some, and that is all that matters to ME. What others think they have the full right to think, but I have done the research and will be soon doing m own testng, and that is all that matters to me. BTW, I game at 2540x1440, so this card should help in that respect, even with all of the eye candy turned on. all in two slots. Sorry, that is pretty cool to me! I do wish they would have allocated at least 3 GB to each core though, but I am sure that is coming (rather 4GB per core versions).

Regardless, I wish i would have ponied up the few extra $ for faster shipping, I have't anticipated a computer part like this in at least 5 years :/.l

Quote from Swolern : You just sounded dumb using the worst English I have seen in a while.

Quote from GoldenTiger : You're writing for people to read your posts, or you wouldn't be bothering at all. Thus, it is common courtesy to make your English be somewhat comprehensible, at least, if you expect anyone to take you seriously. Additionally, your points are absurd, which is only amplified by the poor writing quality they are conveyed in.

What sounds dumb are people who assume that someone who doesnt post with perfect or good English is dumb. Someone's grasp of the English language and writing skills have nothing to do with their intelligence level. They may have some kind of condition, may be a foreigner, or whatever. I have known self-made millionaires and billionaires who hardly should be proud to write anything but a greeting card entry, but I am sure they will have a much stronger opinion than you on who is smarter and more successful. So if you have better "English" than someone and yet you are less successful, what does that make you?

If you want to criticize for the CONTENT of someone's post, that is totally fine, go do that to your endless joys of living... but to constantly pick on someone's language skills is the real dumb part and a cheap shot. If you went to China and tried stating an opinion in Chinese and they made fun of you and thought you were dumb, I bet that would feel real great wouldnt it? One's desire to express opinions do not change just because s/he is not proficient in the language in which they would like to express themselves.

Quote from Mike C : These cards aren't just for gaming, but even if that is the ONLY reason why someone is purchasing it, if the person has the $ and derives satisfaction from owning it, whats the harm? You personally may not feel spending that kind of $ makes sense on a video card, but we are not talking about a pair of jean that costs $500 because of the brand that it is on. The processing power, engineering, parts, etc. that goes into making these cards isn't cheap. There is a market for these cards, and good thing there is too, given just like F1 race cars, the profits made from selling these high end cards for those that can afford and choose to spend their $ on these cards allows for the companies R&D to work on amazing things like this card, and everything they learn and build trickles down in one form or another to their entire line of cards, even the sub $100 cards.

Well said... I myself think these cards are just way up there, but honestly, if I could afford it, along with a Porsche GT2, Bugatti, and a million dollar home, this type of purchase wouldnt even scratch my radar, let alone I would not be buying it because it was a deal, I would have bought it when it first came out, actually probably would have pre-ordered it. Why would u not want the best when you make this cash in just an hour's worth of your time at work? This is the way tech has worked for decades. Different strokes for different folks.

jesus what happened to this thread?

Anyways a big feature of this card is if you wanted to run quad SLI with GTX680s, this one only takes up one slot, and you can run quad without having to get the huge ATX-XL boards or whatever they are called. It lowers the simplicity.