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![]() The question is the difference between in-person interaction and online interaction. Many people assume a completely different tone, depending on the medium, even with people they personally know. everybody funny...now you funny too
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Let the judging begin! ![]()
If anything, wouldn't "the subject", as defined by the email writer, be whether or not overweight individuals can still be good role models for the community?
Should someone who gets teased because s/he wears glasses blame the glasses? Or those that would choose to make fun of such a condition?
Last edited by smegalicious; 10-04-2012 at 09:34 AM.. "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him." -- John Morley
"I just helped your mother kill someone. That 'old lady' enough for you?" -- Tara Knowles |
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Lindsey Lohan's pretty damn skinny. Guess that makes her a qualified role model. ![]()
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I think it would highly unusual for someone on a vigorous exercise program and a proper diet to be unable to control their weight; although I recognize that it becomes doubly difficult once they've let themselves go. Maybe I'm just "stereotyping" but I believe the vast majority of the obese are just sitting around watching TV instead of exercising. I know that if I play 2 hours of basketball every other day, I can eat whatever I want and not gain weight. |
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I used to have terrible back pain which I cured by exercising.
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I think I give people IRL the benefit of the doubt that perhaps they just got fed bad information. Maybe I need to go back and double check? Perhaps their numbers/facts are right and I'm not remembering correctly. Tie goes to the runner. I just don't have that same tolerance online. A world of information is at your fingertips and you* post and yet you can't even be bothered to double check. Now, I get stuff wrong all the time and never do it on purpose. I try very hard not to spin because what's the point really? But it bothers me a great deal when I see the intellectual laziness from the same people that will talk trash about Americans as stupid, sheeple, etc. The WARN/Lockheed layoff thread was a great example. A post goes up flaming Obama (excuse me, Obummer) for indemnifying Lockheed. The article is based on a memo from the Labor department. Exactly zero people read the damned memo. It's a couple pages, totally straight forward, and takes me less than a minute to find online. It completely explains why they're doing what they're doing and specifically rebuts the complaint made in the linked article. Instead we go all of zero responses before we get this gem: So yea. I hate the tubes. *edit: you as in everyone. not you as in you. Last edited by loop610bob; 10-04-2012 at 04:20 PM.. |
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To tie in to this topic, it's very much in the interests of such a system to paint itself as worthwhile, so simply pointing out the disingenuous/dishonest or sheer idiocy is culturally conditioned "rude". Also, perspective is very dangerous to the narrow worldview propped up by PR, so anytime an error/lie is pointed out, the conditioned response isn't to learn something (as it would be in decent society), but to ignore & claim everyone else does it too (and thus their bad behavior not out of line), and then just repeat the lie/error later. The only thing this sort of phenomenon is reasonably analogous to is religion. Put another way, it's obvious that the ad industry has acquired the ability to manufacture the trappings of religious zeal for sale to the highest bidder, including conditioning for what's acceptable or unacceptable behavior. In a signficant way, this has nothing to do with being online or not, it's only exacerbated online due to the lack of more traditional sense of moral ethics here. We can make excuses for various aspects of the backwardness [reddit.com], but then the question is why blame this on circumstance if the problem can be so easily pointed out and understood (by the likes of non-scholars). After all, it's not an issue with physical dependencies, but psychological with many components a surface level. It's unclear where anybody ever got the idea that a free market results in low prices when the entire point of capitalism is to maximize profit and low prices are less profitable. Therefore the natural proclivity should be to collude and fix prices at the highest sustainable point.
Oh, it's illegal to collude and fix prices and whatnot as deemed by the gubmint? Who are they to say how a free market should work when it's a matter of divinity per Adam Smith whose book nobody bothered to read? |
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And for those birds [are they not parrots?] who do possess the ability to think and type outside the "tripe," where do you suppose their ideas come from? Are they indeed original? |
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His point is one I have made myself. The most trustworthy source of information is that which you have verified yourself. The second most trustworthy is that which has been independently verified by people with absolutely zero (or sometimes negative) incentive to give it credence. There's not much of that in the world. That doesn't mean, though, that we should put more faith in the leaky basket. |
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One of the reasons that I am so rude when talking about politics, is that a huge chunk of the Western Left and a gaggle of minority groups are out to destroy me and mine, civilization. I dont respond well to genocidal hostiles.
The polls were not skewed, biased, oversampled or wrong. I was. There was no wave, no landslide, I was wrong about that too. Nate Silver is the gold standard of polling analysis.
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Political parties are a special subset of this, except the dept of "strategists" is even larger and it's arguable the whole thing is marketing. For various historical reasons, the "press core" is even more sympathetic to their marketed message than most private entities, and the various ads in form of easy to digest talking points is considered a direct part of the programming itself. Furthermore, the relationship between a private company and the party is not only the rather obvious money transfer, but as provider of mercenary "expertise" in form of pundits from "think-tanks" and whatnot provided to media as a free alternative to actual research. Now, this doesn't necessarily mean that everything said is false (as some seem to assume upon hearing of this), only that there's no correlation between what's parroted and reality. The medium itself is unimportant, since for example the same few points from Ron Paul can permeate on the web unexamined just as freely as the latest "cut taxes to create jobs" message on CNN. Actually knowing things takes critical learning (ie relatively hard work), which is not something most folks are inclined to do when the alternative comes pre-chewed. We simply follow and repeat the dialog (including the mannerism and cultural norms of what is acceptable vs. "rude"). This isn't to say all we do is define via the media, but it's unquestionable that our society's leadership roles are theater in the ultimate pursuit of money (even if it's not for themselves per se). Speaking of which, take a step back and observe that in this PR system the driver is money. That is, starting from the top of this comment, it's notable how and why it flows, for what purpose. In that sense, "trickle down" of paid PR paid is an honest portrayal of how this particular system fundamentally works.
A more specific example would be the claim that "things fall down", or "the fed prints money". The former is not meaningful without some idea of what "down" means, and what "fall" means. Similarly without an understanding of the nature of money or "printing", the latter is also meaningless. The Herp McDerp behavior here or really anywhere on the web or IRL that's worth criticizing is the simply lack of any effort to examine the details of what's being said. As in, it would be very difficult to imagine many folks actually reading about physical motion/currency or even the links they post themselves, since even direct shame/criticism of this yields zero deviation of habit. My theory is that this deplorable mindset is significantly derived from the conditioning presented via the media for its benefactors, but whatever your own is it doesn't preclude the observation that this behavior is real. Contrast this with the focus on "rudeness" which is akin to grammar nazi fixation on semantics; hardly why vast majority of the comments are so worthless. Last edited by agent00f; 10-05-2012 at 07:31 PM.. |
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