Convicted rapist release because the judge thinks the victim could have bitten or kicked her way out of the sexual assault.

Quote from chewspam : Ryu.....only you would make a case that it might possibly be okay to have sex with someone that has the mental capacity of a 3 year old girl.

pretty sure the law on sex is written with AGE not age mentality in mind...

If sex laws was written with age mentality in mind, most americans ( well mainly conservatives ) would be forbidden to have sex due to diminished mental capacity....

Quote from Ryu-bom : pretty sure the law on sex is written with AGE not age mentality in mind... If sex laws was written with age mentality in mind, most americans ( well mainly conservatives ) would be forbidden to have sex due to diminished mental capacity....

Are you talking to me?

Quote from Ryu-bom : pretty sure the law on sex is written with AGE not age mentality in mind...

Moot point.

A severely disabled individual with the intellectual and functional capacity of a 3-year-old child cannot give consent.

Quote from calistyle : Moot point. A severely disabled individual with the intellectual and functional capacity of a 3-year-old child cannot give consent.

so why keep these people around, if for their whole existence they are never able to make a single choice for themselves and instead burden such decision making on another person/entity

it is COUNTER-productive to society...

Of course don't kill the messenger, I'm just try to make sense out of insane thought processes/laws we are burden to live under by our all so caring gov't....

Quote from Ryu-bom : so why keep these people around, if for their whole existence they are never able to make a single choice for themselves and instead burden such decision making on another person/entity it is COUNTER-productive to society... Of course don't kill the messenger, I'm just try to make sense out of insane thought processes/laws we are burden to live under by our all so caring gov't....

Do yourself a favor and get the f*ck out of this thread.

And stay out.

Quote from Ryu-bom : so why keep these people around, if for their whole existence they are never able to make a single choice for themselves and instead burden such decision making on another person/entity it is COUNTER-productive to society... Of course don't kill the messenger, I'm just try to make sense out of insane thought processes/laws we are burden to live under by our all so caring gov't....

C'mon Ryu, that's pretty harsh. Society is judged by how it takes care of it's most vulnerable.

I hope you are trying to make a point of some sort and not just super-trolling.

Quote from ikonoklast : C'mon Ryu, that's pretty harsh. Society is judged by how it takes care of it's most vulnerable. I hope you are trying to make a point of some sort and not just super-trolling.

that is not harsh at all....

that would have probably the same factors that led to such a decision by those judges..

That they can't neither prove she consented or not consent to sex, and was convicted because he had sex with a person people would deemed so inappropriate without any real legal or just or scientific basis

You cannot have individualistic freedoms and choices in a society, if we continue to view some people as never going to have such a right because they were burdened with a handicap..

this is the crux of gov't, that they see themselves as knowing better then the individual. i.e Big Brother... And in the eyes of our gov't we might as well all be handicap, since the gov't sees fit to make choices for us.

I am questioning why some people feel that handicapped people should NEVER be able or allow to make a choice in their lives.. In fact that post is more pro-handicap then against, since I support handicap people be given the right to overrule their so call power of attorneys or care-givers choices for them...

The only people who are anti-handicaps are the one who would take away their right to choices and consent merely because they see them as handicap..

Don't tell me how a society is judged by the care we give to handicap people, in the USA we have execute enough people who was deemed mentally deficient. We jail thousands of people with mental issues rather then provide needed treatment..

So before saying my comment was harsh, look at what OUR GOV'T has been up to... We are by far the biggest hypocrites in the world..

Quote from Ryu-bom : that is not harsh at all.... that would have probably the same factors that led to such a decision by those judges.. That they can't neither prove she consented or not consent to sex, and was convicted because he had sex with a person people would deemed so inappropriate without any real legal or just or scientific basis You cannot have individualistic freedoms and choices in a society, if we continue to view some people as never going to have such a right because they were burdened with a handicap.. this is the crux of gov't, that they see themselves as knowing better then the individual. i.e Big Brother... And in the eyes of our gov't we might as well all be handicap, since the gov't sees fit to make choices for us. I am questioning why some people feel that handicapped people should NEVER be able or allow to make a choice in their lives.. In fact that post is more pro-handicap then against, since I support handicap people be given the right to overrule their so call power of attorneys or care-givers choices for them... The only people who are anti-handicaps are the one who would take away their right to choices and consent merely because they see them as handicap.. Don't tell me how a society is judged by the care we give to handicap people, in the USA we have execute enough people who was deemed mentally deficient. We jail thousands of people with mental issues rather then provide needed treatment.. So before saying my comment was harsh, look at what OUR GOV'T has been up to... We are by far the biggest hypocrites in the world..

You've exceeded your daily bullshit limit.

Leave.

Quote from Ryu-bom : pretty sure the law on sex is written with AGE not age mentality in mind... If sex laws was written with age mentality in mind, most americans ( well mainly conservatives ) would be forbidden to have sex due to diminished mental capacity....

Quote from Ryu-bom : so why keep these people around, if for their whole existence they are never able to make a single choice for themselves and instead burden such decision making on another person/entity it is COUNTER-productive to society... Of course don't kill the messenger, I'm just try to make sense out of insane thought processes/laws we are burden to live under by our all so caring gov't....

Quote from Ryu-bom : that is not harsh at all.... that would have probably the same factors that led to such a decision by those judges.. That they can't neither prove she consented or not consent to sex, and was convicted because he had sex with a person people would deemed so inappropriate without any real legal or just or scientific basis You cannot have individualistic freedoms and choices in a society, if we continue to view some people as never going to have such a right because they were burdened with a handicap.. this is the crux of gov't, that they see themselves as knowing better then the individual. i.e Big Brother... And in the eyes of our gov't we might as well all be handicap, since the gov't sees fit to make choices for us. I am questioning why some people feel that handicapped people should NEVER be able or allow to make a choice in their lives.. In fact that post is more pro-handicap then against, since I support handicap people be given the right to overrule their so call power of attorneys or care-givers choices for them... The only people who are anti-handicaps are the one who would take away their right to choices and consent merely because they see them as handicap.. Don't tell me how a society is judged by the care we give to handicap people, in the USA we have execute enough people who was deemed mentally deficient. We jail thousands of people with mental issues rather then provide needed treatment.. So before saying my comment was harsh, look at what OUR GOV'T has been up to... We are by far the biggest hypocrites in the world..

I can't tell if you are just evil or absolutely the dumbest person I've ever spoken to.

Quote from chewspam : I can't tell if you are just evil or absolutely the dumbest person I've ever spoken to.

again feel free to ever post those judges decisions.....

its always hard not like the cold hard sad but truth....

Quote from chewspam : I can't tell if you are just evil or absolutely the dumbest person I've ever spoken to.

No need to choose.

Quote from Ryu-bom : so why keep these people around, if for their whole existence they are never able to make a single choice for themselves and instead burden such decision making on another person/entity it is COUNTER-productive to society... Of course don't kill the messenger, I'm just try to make sense out of insane thought processes/laws we are burden to live under by our all so caring gov't....

See, you should be very concerned with keeping people like this around. I agree, we live in a society that is broken and has a very corrupt/ power hungry government. And if we could guarantee that the parameters for euthanizing the mentally challenged would stay at people like the woman in the article, I'd be all for it. But you know how the government is: once that problem is taken care of, the move on to the next group that was slightly better off than the first. Say, adults who haven't gone past a 10 year old mentality. This starts a slippery slope and before you know it, it's all adults with an IQ of 70 or less. And when that happens, you get a knock on your door and are taken away and we are left without your educational and insightful threads in the lounge. So really, I think you should be taking up for social programs to care for people like this because it's really only like 3 degrees of separation before it's you in the gas chamber.

Quote from The Llama : See, you should be very concerned with keeping people like this around. I agree, we live in a society that is broken and has a very corrupt/ power hungry government. And if we could guarantee that the parameters for euthanizing the mentally challenged would stay at people like the woman in the article, I'd be all for it. But you know how the government is: once that problem is taken care of, the move on to the next group that was slightly better off than the first. Say, adults who haven't gone past a 10 year old mentality. This starts a slippery slope and before you know it, it's all adults with an IQ of 70 or less. And when that happens, you get a knock on your door and are taken away and we are left without your educational and insightful threads in the lounge. So really, I think you should be taking up for social programs to care for people like this because it's really only like 3 degrees of separation before it's you in the gas chamber.

I wasn't making a argument if these people are to be kept or not kept around, I was trying to point that even these people should be allowed to have some sort of consensual powers, and that no one should ever be in a position that allows someone else to make ever single decision for them... It is very counter-productive, if we view some people as never having the power to make choices, and it becomes very big brother-ish.. The same way we see handicap people is no different then how the gov't see its people, in the eye of our gov't we are all mentally retarded handicaps that need the gov't to write and pass laws to tell us what to do for our own "good"

And our gov't has already been putting mentally challenged people to death or throwing them into prison where they are abused by sane criminals. And it seem some people here do not want to acknowledge that our own gov't is involved in atrocities, yet we have all the time in the world to fake the outrage at one single individual..

Individual crimes pale in comparison or seriousness to gov't mandated and authorized crimes in the whole scope of severity inflicted. No single individual criminal will ever achieve to do as much harm as our own gov't sanctioned crimes.

I don't see how some people can be so outrage at one individual yet so condoning and accepting of a gov't who are not so innocent either

I think Ryu-born is 100%... extreme yet showing another side of the story. (in his extreme views)

Here is the problem. He is presenting an extreme view, with no feeling (ie debating something from one side) The rest of you FEEL strongly for something and give your opinion, which unfortunately does not matter one bit because you are not on the supreme court of said state.

Ryu, either is a giant asshole (incorrect) or is trying to show everyone that their are extremes to every side.

Saying that someone cannot grant consent for sex, is the same as asking if they can consent to anything. If this person cannot consent to sex they are basically living as an extension of someone else that has to choose everything for them because they are legally unable to do ANYTHING.

The court ruling, while wrong (in my opinion) shows that this person does have ways to consent to things. I believe nobody has the ability to say what she can or not consent to because how can they "prove" she has a mind of a 3 year old or prove that someone like her has NEVER bitten or kicked someone to stop rape.

The part Ryu is arguing is the fact that if this was a story about someone who married someone that had a mental retardation, and then the person died and the person whom is mental was ruled unable to consent to being married, then you would all be arguing that they would be able to. while this is two differing sides they need to take each case, case by case. There is no "law" allowing them to use personal judgement and they are on the court system to follow any laws written in the book. Which they did.