Conspiracy theories and the conspiracy mindset

Quote from vaultaddict : The asbestos conspiracy?

6. Asbestos: Between 1930 and 1960, manufacturers did all they could to prevent the link between asbestos and respiratory diseases, including cancer, becoming known, so they could avoid prosecution. American workers had in fact sued the Johns Manville company as far back as 1932, but it was not until 1962 that epidemiologists finally established beyond any doubt what company bosses had known for a long time – asbestos causes cancer.

Quote from dsnotgood : nothing to think about...they were all true. while your "thinking about it" look up USS liberty bombing. and then ask yourself...WHO WOULD BENEFIT the MOST from the US declaring war on the arabian countries after the whole BS mossad operation known as 911

speaking of conspiracy theories and nutcases....

Quote from NM 156 : 6. Asbestos: Between 1930 and 1960, manufacturers did all they could to prevent the link between asbestos and respiratory diseases, including cancer, becoming known, so they could avoid prosecution. American workers had in fact sued the Johns Manville company as far back as 1932, but it was not until 1962 that epidemiologists finally established beyond any doubt what company bosses had known for a long time – asbestos causes cancer.

/so cigarette smoking is a conspiracy? basically the same thing, with tobacco companies claiming it's not bad via their own "research." same thing with oil companies and global warming.

Quote from bonkman : speaking of conspiracy theories and nutcases.... /so cigarette smoking is a conspiracy? basically the same thing, with tobacco companies claiming it's not bad via their own "research." same thing with oil companies and global warming.

People have a choice to smoke... Not to dwell in asbestos used in construction... That's the difference...

Quote from joer316 : Would you consider the Vietnam war a conspiracy because of the Gulf of Tonkin incident? What about the Iraq war because of the lies told to Congress by multiple people? What about Operation Northwoods? Operation Paperclip?

After some thought, my reactions are not really, perhaps, would have been (wasn't it just a planning thing? if it were put into action, def conspiracy) and not really.

There was a naval battle in the gulf of tonkin. There's no doubt about that. There was a second incident that makes it more "conspiracy oriented" but that first incident -- mixed with the atmosphere of the cold war -- was really all it took. You could say that not telling the truth about the state of soldiers in vietnam is a conspiracy, but then basically all wars are conspiracies. Countless cultures glorify war, while war is ultimately terrifying and destructive.

Same thing with Iraq. I think only a select few people really know if it's a true conspiracy or not. In my mind, it's a legit conspiracy if that operation were launched SOLELY for profits. I still believe that many people in that administration (rightly) believed Hussein was a terrible person and they (probably not rightly) felt it was their role to do something about it. And then some profiteers took advantage of a business situation, in large-scale way of how people sometimes "take advantage" of a divorce to get a really good deal on a house. So not sure if it's a conspiracy or just a bad decision.

I'm no student of history, but did the CIA ever enact Northwoods? Or was it just a crazy scheme, like many that have been and will be cooked up by people who are literally paid to think up crazy schemes.

And finally, Paperclip isn't anything more than a product of defense and fear. It'd be a conspiracy if we found out that the scientists were recruited in order to build a robo-Hitler a la Doom. IMHO of course.

Quote from NM 156 : People have a choice to smoke... Not to dwell in asbestos used in construction... That's the difference...

People have a choice where to live as well....

Quote from bonkman : People have a choice where to live as well....

Not always where they work... Asbestos was widely used in the construction of office buildings and commercial structures...

and, Oh Yeah...

Conspiracy #34 - Israel was founded by devil worshippers.

Quote from NM 156 : Not always where they work... Asbestos was widely used in the construction of office buildings and commercial structures... and, Oh Yeah... Conspiracy #34 - Israel was founded by devil worshippers.

And there it goes!

Quote from NM 156 : Not always where they work... Asbestos was widely used in the construction of office buildings and commercial structures... and, Oh Yeah... Conspiracy #34 - Israel was founded by devil worshippers.

Quote from vaultaddict : And there it goes!

Yes!... There it is!...

Quote from bonkman : You could say that not telling the truth about the state of soldiers in vietnam is a conspiracy, but then basically all wars are conspiracies. Countless cultures glorify war, while war is ultimately terrifying and destructive. Same thing with Iraq.

so govt not telling the truth about state of military affairs is no better/worse than a culture that glorifies war?


Would you agree all of the things I listed fit one of the below definitions:

con·spir·a·cy

   [kuhn-spir-uh-see] Show IPA
noun, plural con·spir·a·cies.
1. the act of conspiring [reference.com].

2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.

3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.

4. Law . an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.

5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

Quote from joer316 : so govt not telling the truth about state of military affairs is no better/worse than a culture that glorifies war? Would you agree all of the things I listed fit one of the below definitions: con·spir·a·cy    [kuhn-spir-uh-see] Show IPA noun, plural con·spir·a·cies. 1. the act of conspiring [reference.com]. 2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot. 3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government. 4. Law . an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act. 5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

No, not really.

And isn't glorifying war the same thing as not telling the truth about it?

Quote from joer316 : so govt not telling the truth about state of military affairs is no better/worse than a culture that glorifies war? Would you agree all of the things I listed fit one of the below definitions: con·spir·a·cy    [kuhn-spir-uh-see] Show IPA noun, plural con·spir·a·cies. 1. the act of conspiring [reference.com]. 2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot. 3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government. 4. Law . an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act. 5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

Quote from bonkman : No, not really. And isn't glorifying war the same thing as not telling the truth about it?

Quote from NM 156 :

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4311

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Quote from thikthird : http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4311

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Quote from Dr. J : A true conspiracy theory can't be disproven......... because it's a conspiracy. Anything and everything can be part of the conspiracy, including contradictory evidence.

Yep, conspiracy theory logic always manages to take evidence against the theory and turn it into evidence for the theory, via the conspiracy.

Quote from darkfrog : Yep, conspiracy theory logic always manages to take evidence against the theory and turn it into evidence for the theory, via the conspiracy.

...therefore, confirming the conspiracy as fact.