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Want to save money on your PG&E natural gas bill? Use the Core Gas Aggregation program - a small hidden secret PG&E may not want you to know about...

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Check this little piece of information hidden deep on the PG&E website... http://www.pge.com/myhome/customerservice/energychoice/coregasaggregation/

PG&E's Core Gas Aggregation Service is an optional program that allows you to purchase gas for your home or business directly from third-party gas suppliers, also known as Core Transport Agents (CTAs). Through this program, PG&E will continue to read your meter, and to transport and deliver gas to your home or business with the same high level of reliability and service that we provide to all of our customers.

PG&E requires new CTAs to complete a certification process, which entails meeting credit and technical requirements, before they are eligible to enroll customers. If PG&E terminates a CTA's certification due to a failure to maintain PG&E's certification requirements, or if a CTA goes out of business, a CTA's customers would continue to receive uninterrupted gas service directly from PG&E.

Basically - look at the list here - http://www.pge.com/myhome/customerservice/energychoice/coregasaggregation/coretransportagents/index.shtml - find an aggregator that serves your area - I picked Tiger Natural Gas - and pretty soon you'll be saving >15% on your gas bill with no changes to your service or your billing... it's so simple it's silly...

Try it. At first I thought this was a scam when I got the call from Tiger, but it's something the government forces PG&E to do... and they probably just hide it real well so no one will find out Smilie
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Last Edited by MozartA October 25, 2012 at 01:48 PM
Note: Quite a few SDers said they actually pay more after switched to CTAs. Read the PG&E FAQ below, PG&E makes its regulated profit from delivering gas through its pipeline system which you still have to pay. So they don't lose any money when people switch to CTA.

Based on this website
http://energybrokernetwork.com/california.htm

And the historical rates
http://energybrokernetwork.com/PG...avings.pdf

There is no guarantee the rate of CTA will always be lower.

PG&E FAQ
http://www.pge.com/mybusiness/cus...ndex.shtml

Will PG&E lose money if I switch to a CTA?

No. Due to the way natural gas utilities are regulated, PG&E does not make a profit from the sale of natural gas to its retail customers. PG&E instead makes its regulated profit from delivering gas through its pipeline system, as well as from other sources.


What are the responsibilities of a CTA?
A CTA is responsible for ensuring that sufficient gas is delivered daily to PG&E's pipeline system to supply its customers' forecasted usage. As part of PG&E's ongoing service, we are the backup supplier in the event your CTA fails to arrange for an adequate supply of natural gas, defaults on its obligations or goes out of business.

Will I continue to receive a monthly bill from PG&E?
Yes, in most cases. PG&E provides three types of billing options for a CTA: 1) PG&E Consolidated Billing where PG&E consolidates its monthly gas distribution and transmission charges and a CTA's gas charges into a single bill; 2) CTA Consolidated Billing where a CTA consolidates its monthly charges and PG&E's charges into a single bill; and 3) Separate Billing where PG&E and a CTA separately bill for their respective monthly charges. You will experience a few days delay in receiving your monthly bill if your CTA is using PG&E as its biller; however, your payment due date will not be effected by this process.

How does Core Gas Aggregation Service work?
Before joining Core Gas Aggregation Service, an end-use customer, such as a resident or business-owner, will need to agree through verbal or written contract to buy natural gas from CTA other than PG&E. The CTA will procure natural gas for its customers. PG&E continues to transport the natural gas to the end-use customer. Customers are required to make a minimum 12-month commitment to Core Gas Aggregation Service and purchase natural gas from a CTA, instead of PG&E. And CTAs are required to serve a gas usage pool with a combined usage of at least 120,000 therms per year.



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Do you still pay PG&E and they pay the 3rd party supplier? Or do you pay the 3rd party supplier directly when you switch?
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Do you still pay PG&E and they pay the 3rd party supplier? Or do you pay the 3rd party supplier directly when you switch?
Good question. I'd like to know the answer to this as well.
Also, too lazy to read the rules myself, are there any fees when you switch?
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Hmm so if my house blows up cos of a defective gas pipeline, I still get to sue PG&E?
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Hmm so if my house blows up cos of a defective gas pipeline, I still get to sue PG&E?

what if it was defective gas?? did yo ever stop to think about that???
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Is there a quick way to find one that serves my area? Or have to look at each one by one on their website?
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The gas is the same gas. PG&E still provides you with the gas. You're just buying it from a different source... cheaper source. It's the same gas. You never see the 3rd party supplier as far as payments go - you only interact with PG&E. Period.

Why the thumbs down?

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Good question. I'd like to know the answer to this as well.
Also, too lazy to read the rules myself, are there any fees when you switch?
No switching fees.
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Do you still pay PG&E and they pay the 3rd party supplier? Or do you pay the 3rd party supplier directly when you switch?
AFAIK, you continue to pay to PG&E. Even currently, on your bill you can see usage and delivery components.
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Quote from rianmanu View Post :
Do you still pay PG&E and they pay the 3rd party supplier? Or do you pay the 3rd party supplier directly when you switch?
You pay ONLY to PG&E. They just have to give you a lower rate because you're buying from a cheaper source. Gas is same gas. Yes, it sounds too good to be true, but it works as advertised.

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Is there a quick way to find one that serves my area? Or have to look at each one by one on their website?
I haven't found a way - but you can ask PG&E... they have to give you the information they have.
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OP how easy was the switch? Any troubles so far? How reliable is Tiger? Did you really save as much as they claimed? I've heard a lot about this program from all the salesman from all these different companies. My understanding is PG&E bills you, they are responsible for everything except the source of the gas. So from a customers perspective nothing changes except the price.
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OP how easy was the switch? Any troubles so far? How reliable is Tiger? Did you really save as much as they claimed? I've heard a lot about this program from all the salesman from all these different companies. My understanding is PG&E bills you, they are responsible for everything except the source of the gas. So from a customers perspective nothing changes except the price.
Switch was one lengthy phone call (15-20 minutes or so with the verification of a 3rd party on the line)

The savings are at least 15% a month.

You are right that from the customer's perspective - nothing happens. I got a letter from Tiger, then a letter from PG&E telling me that they are glad to continue servicing as before just the the gas will be coming to them from Tiger (it's all math games, because they don't all of a sudden go fetch a new gas balloon from someone else... they just account that my gas comes from another source in their accounting, and some of the savings get passed to you...)
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How much do you pay per therm now?

This doesn't make any sense. There has to be a way you're getting screwed somewhere.
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Same option available for Southern California Gas Company: http://www.socalgas.com/for-your-...esps.shtml
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How much do you pay per therm now?

This doesn't make any sense. There has to be a way you're getting screwed somewhere.
I haven't looked per therm, but there's a reason why pge shoved this deep on their website... The total is cheaper, and it's guaranteed to be at least 15% cheaper. By the way, you can always revert...

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Same option available for Southern California Gas Company: http://www.socalgas.com/for-your-...esps.shtml
Excellent!
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