Im interested in this only because you could get your phone dev unlocked for $8. Does.anyone know how many devices you can developer unlock with this account and is it permanent? I might bite on this. I developed couple of basic wp7.5 apps, but never published them and dont intend on developing because of other priorities.
It isn't unusual for MS to charge for the IDEs for their OSes, although the subscription approach is relatively new (sort of). E.G. MS Vis Studio, they have been charging for that for a long time. Then there is the lovely Eclipse IDE, free for all to use with plugins to do damn near every language, potty train your kids, and wash your car. BUT, MS Vis Studio is focused, way more intuitive and simple, and just easier to build apps on. It has standardized on libraries provided by MS (a GOD SEND, when building an app, unless you are really doing something different(or wrong), probably 10% of the code in the ultimate app is yours AT MOST(not including labels and crap like that), if you are doing it right and using all of your available resources to reuse code). Then you have Eclipse, or others I like to use like Komodo (I pay for the big daddy of that one), or even Notepad++ is pretty good for interpreted languages/scripting. But it is WAY harder to use (learnig curve at least, and not as intuitive) the libraries are a nightmare(I spend as much time if not more time debugging libraries than my own code :/), because there ARE no standards(MS'es are not 100% either, but about 1million times better than some of the crap I have found for Java and what I will call the primarily OS languages).
Basically, IMHO, paying for the MS IDEs and everything that comes with them is worth every penny (of my companies $ ), and it is certainly nothing new.
Yep, apps will indeed be the make or break for Windows phones, but OTOH MS may have a trick or 100 up their sleeve (they better, being at least 5 years behind and all :/). Perhaps pay developers for apps, perhaps they are just seeing if people will buy the IDEs like is done for most of their other IDEs(most enterprises probably will and have to, regardless of what is made available to the general public in the future, like the X-Box IDE progression), perhaps they will go to the free IDE unless you charge for your apps, perhaps 100% of the app $ goes to the developer, who knows.
Just saying, everyone here is acting like this is weird, but it isn't in MS land. MS IDEs are most often $(some very expensive (like team or arch)), +more $ for extended MSDN libraries, +more for platform OS dev licenses (technet, Acton Pack, etc.). Apple OTOH has paid IDE too (maybe why that is what MS is doing, mathing it, then giving a coupon from hell to under cut it to create demand, to grab people who see 92% discount??), and I hear you get screwed on the backend on iTunes as well (although I have yet to write obj C or an iPad app, haven't had time yet, so don't know and haven't looked into it). The one thing that DOES piss me off, I have to run OSX if I want to develop an app for an iPaode (squishup of the three main apple iOS hardware platforms we use at work, because you get to talk about peyote at work and not get in trouble ).
One thing that MS better NEVER f'ing do again is that sh*t they pulled with their gadget market place. That thing was BOOMING, I LOVED it, and one day poof. No 6 moths warning(or I missed it?), no archive, just f'ing gone. If I was a developer I would be pissed that the time I put into an app that was on the MS website disappearing (when pretty much all of the Vista ones worked fine on Win 7, so that excuse suck). As a consumer of gadgets, I was royally pissed because Iove them, and I never even had a chance or knew it was going away, so never got to download those things I hadn't gotten to yet, etc. That was just a LAME move.
Registering an individual account for the Windows Phone 8 Dev Center (which allows you to put WP8 apps in the app store) is $8 through 11/7/12. It is normally $99. If I'm not mistaken, this allows you to put custom apps on your own phone as well, essentially jailbreaking it? (I'm a little sketchy on the details as I havent owned a windows phone yet).
so how does dev unlock work? i am a developer at work but i don't see myself having spare time developing apps for windows phone 8. if it is $8 every year then i might stick around but i don't want to get charged $99 for the second year.
so i can just pay $8, wait until i get my lumia, unlock it and cancel the subscription? will my phone get locked again after my subscription expires or when i do a phone update via Zune?
I'm a registered iOS and Android Developer.. Sounds like a decent deal to me, but if I recall correctly, registering for Android was pretty cheap (I think $25-$45?). Apple is just a pain with their registration.. oh my.. Just for example I can make an app on android and stick it on a device (w/o ever paying a charge). Not with Apple... you can't even test on a device w/o paying the charge. The review process Apple uses is pretty extensive and you'll get rejected for minor minor issues. They made me change the format of a video window before because it didn't follow their guidelines. They want all apps to have a uniform feel and will reject if it strays too far from their guidelines.
Gonna have to look into MS now.. see how they're doing this. Also I'm curious on what profit ratio they take from you on sales.
What about FREE?
I haven't been to college since 1996, and when Windows 7 came out they had a promo for the OS at like $28. I was able to buy it using my EDU email address that was still valid all these years. I assume that if you have records, you can get access them through your college portal, and if they have a portal, you may have an email address. I did the same thing with my wife who went to another school by the way too.
So so back on track here, I looked around for the join now button and found it under "submit app", it says this is free if you have a DreamSpark student account. So I went to see what that was all about and found the site https://www.dreamspark.com/Student/Default.aspx , looking at this you can join if you have an edu email address as verification....put 1 and 1 together and you can get this for free. I'll have to get all that stuff together later on since i am at work, but worked for me before, worth a try.
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I completely agree. With how bad most devs already talk about Windows 8, they should be promoting this similarly to how Blackberry did by giving away hardware and $$ if people create apps.
please say we're not comparing the blackberry's program vs. MS. Why does Apple and Google charge? Both seem to be doing fine w/ fees and profit taking.. Considering the recent explosion of Apps for phones.. why exactly would they need to give away expensive hardware?
I got about the same offer several months back when I bought an unlock token from Rafael Rivera's ChevronWP7 Labs site for $9, and then the program shut down shortly after. They told me if I paid the $100 for a year of developer access, I'd get refunded.
Ultimately, I was ok paying $9 to get my Windows Phone unlocked, but I wasn't ok waiting to get refunded $100, so I passed.
I know, I know... cool story, bro! Right?
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