WD Red 3TB HDD WD30EFRX Internal harddrive $158 shipped @ Amazon

Quote from robinski_ : yeah, I'm sure most people who go online to write reviews just make the whole thing up! give me a break you can go to proper HW testing sites and see the exact same results, stop being retarded

How about you read the google study [googleusercontent.com] that said failure rates and smart data weren't significantly effected by the population mix of drives.

Feel free to post your proper HW testing sites though...I'm sure they have sample sizes large enough to provide statistically significant results like the google study has...

Quote from SaneLemming : How about you read the google study [googleusercontent.com] that said failure rates and smart data weren't significantly effected by the population mix of drives. Feel free to post your proper HW testing sites though...I'm sure they have sample sizes large enough to provide statistically significant results like the google study has...

"February 2007" (6 f**** years ago, lol)

"Failure rates are known to be highly correlated with drive
models, manufacturers and vintages [18]. Our results do
not contradict this fact. For example, Figure 2 changes
significantly when we normalize failure rates per each
drive model. Most age-related results are impacted by
drive vintages. However, in this paper, we do not show a
breakdown of drives per manufacturer, model, or vintage
due to the proprietary nature of these data."

Did you even read the goddamn report? Are you even trying?

I'm done with you trolls, no need to waste more time here, it's like arguing with a religious person, no facts can be put out, just speculation based on lies.

Quote from robinski_ : "February 2007" (6 f**** years ago, lol) "Failure rates are known to be highly correlated with drive models, manufacturers and vintages [18]. Our results do not contradict this fact. For example, Figure 2 changes significantly when we normalize failure rates per each drive model. Most age-related results are impacted by drive vintages. However, in this paper, we do not show a breakdown of drives per manufacturer, model, or vintage due to the proprietary nature of these data." Did you even read the goddamn report? Are you even trying? I'm done with you trolls, no need to waste more time here, it's like arguing with a religious person, no facts can be put out, just speculation based on lies.

Did you read? You're claiming models and vintage as proof of manufacturer differences. What that bit references is the existence of bad batches, which aren't specific to manufacturer. The key part to read would be the next paragraph that starts with "Interestingly, this does not change our conclusions. In contrast to age-related results, we note that all results shown in the rest of the paper are not (their emphasis) affected significantly by the population mix." I won't make it big, bold, and bracket it with tirade though. I know how excited you must have been when you saw something you could take out of context.

I'm happy to see your "proper HW testing sites" though. The lack of that, your calling people trolls for calling your world view into question, and your belief that a study from 6 years ago is laughable seems to show who's being trollish.

Quote from robinski_ : you can't just say that WD drives have bad FW, because it's not true

I hope it was due to firmware. If not, they're technically not the devices WD marks them as, which would make them fraudulent. I doubt that's the case. As I said, the drives worked flawlessly with some controllers and were not recognized by other controllers. The other controllers did recognize all other drives connected to them, including a different WD drive, and worked flawlessly.

Down to $158.20

Can you use this HDD in any computer, or is exclusive for a NAS?

I own a business that manages computer servies. I can say that we do have more DOAs on the green drvies than the black drives. What do we use in our equipment and my personal equipment. Black Drives and Red Drives. We see more failures from the Greens than Blues 2-3 years out, namely on equipment not on a battery backup. The drives seem to just fail without any smart warnings. The Blacks we never had one instance of total failure, where data could not be recovered. I think last time I checked we managed over 18k computers under contract.

The Greens and Blues that seem to be an issue are the larger than 1TB drives.

Quote from Rokkiz : Can you use this HDD in any computer, or is exclusive for a NAS?

This is an internal 3.5" hard drive, can be used in in any computer.
Made to withstand continues 24/7 use.

Quote from magic1 : This is an internal 3.5" hard drive, can be used in in any computer. Made to withstand continues 24/7 use.

Yes Red and Black drives

Quote from uberw00tness : I totally agree. Standard RAID is silly: go with unRAID, freeNAS, flexRAID, snapRAID + elucidate, openindiana, etc. Something with ZFS [wikipedia.org]. They allow you to grow your storage pool without having to start from scratch every time you want to add a new hard drive. Also snapshots and error checking and other goodies like that

None of those are equivalent to each other, much less hardware raid. They all have some major pros/cons (i.e. of the options you listed only unraid and flexraid let you grow an array with parity), only ZFS mitigates against bit rot (the post you were replying to), etc., etc.

In short :
- If you need speed a hardware raid controller will always win
- If you want to use different sized disks and grow your array consider unraid first
- If you want data integrity consider zfs first (you have to actually use oracle solaris to get the latest version with encryption)

the western digital red 3tb for 158.20 are back up.

These drives are amazing especially if you are running them in a NAS/server situation. It is completely worth the extra premium over Greens or the Seagate 3tbs as these guys come with a 3-year warranty and have TLER. Already got 2 of these in my NAS but I'm going to wait unti BF to get 1-2 more depending on deals.

Buy now or hope that BF brings some good prices? These drives have had anything but predictable pricing since they've come out.

how much do you think 1TB or 2TB drives will be for BF?
reputable 2TB could be around $80? maybe even $70?
or am i dreaming?