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I would be in but already have 8gb 1600.... have desire but no need.

Quote from Masejoer : The games themselves are fine. Go back to a hard drive that many OEMs use in their systems and wait while your background apps reload from the page file after you exit a game. People are running more and more applications in the background, and many of the applications are quite sloppy with memory usage. I know many Windows and web-related programmers, most who are not generally the best at what they do, who do not optimize their code due to the mindset that "memory is so cheap, why bother wasting time optimizing the code?". It's not uncommon for web browsers, with numerous plugins, many of which have their own memory leaks, to consume 2+ GB of RAM. THIS is why I recommend more than 8GB. As people use PCs for more and more, much more is running in the background. At any one time, NOT running a game, I'm using maybe 5-6GB of RAM with only a few browser tabs open, and three RDP sessions. Then I have another 10GB or so "cached" with "free" being down around 100MB. I can quickly bring the memory usage up by opening a couple Office documents, or do more web browsing. Just the software that is there for my keyboard and mouse is consuming 200MB between the RAM and page file. Soooo, take normal apps, NOT including all the crap that comes preloaded with OEM systems, antivirus, Steam, an RSS client, email client, a few browser tabs (Firefox or Chrome in my case), and hell let's throw in a couple Youtube pages in the browser, then start up a 4GB game, and I'm looking at 9-10GB of RAM usage, plus another 3GB of page file usage. This is on Win7 x64. I don't do the "lean everything out" routine anymore that was needed on PCs back in the 90s. What's an extra $35 for twice the RAM? All it does is make your hibernation file a bit bigger if you use it (negligible change in hibernation times when using Windows 8), use another couple Watts of power when in sleep, and potentially limit your RAM overclocking in this age when overclocking the RAM benefits very few users. On the note of RAM quantity, today I'm not comfortable with turning off the page file with only 16GB of RAM. I'd LOVE to switch to 32GB and be rid of this legacy ideology.

Again, what you said in previous post is the need of 16GB for gaming. Most gaming people don't do what you do. Here is a demonstration of my PC http://i.imgur.com/kDVrs.jpg
Running Starcraft max setting, 1080p, chrome, word, excel, powerpoint, Photoshop, Dreamweaver, uTorrent, Skype, Yahoo, Steam, Origin and ESET at the same time, 4.5 GB usage. (I doubt anyone do this much at the same time)
Not to mention I'm running an Apache/PHP/MySQL server to host my website directly from the SSD.(notice the icon next to windows update is of Apache)
As for SSD, turning off hibernation and page file is necessary to save space and retain the speed. You don't need hibernation at all since power up/restart take a mere 10 seconds more or less. Page file can be adjust as needed (typically 2-4GB for today computing) anything trigger a low memory alert with this amount of pagefile indicate it's time to buy more RAM). Again, from a gamer perspective. Don't bring up what you do as your regular basis to a gaming setup. 8 GB is enough.

Quote from nikets01 : Again, what you said in previous post is the need of 16GB for gaming.

Never said anything about need. I recommend it due to the price, and that most people still do NOT have ssds, including many PC gamers of the younger ages. Then again, those also don't typically have systems that even need more than 4GB.

Anyway, I don't use hibernation in my main rig and currently have the page file moved off to another ssd that has has more available free space, to limit wear on the flash by giving it more free space to do its wear leveling. I know it won't matter as these things last pretty much forever unless you will all but maybe 100MB of the ssd, and continuously overwrite those blocks, but it is what it is.

I rarely do photoshop work, but I was up to about 60GB of RAM AND page file usage a year ago when working with some 300GB of 12-24mbps videos for a funeral. My system at that time only had 8GB and I had the page file on another drive, and the scratch disk for the application on a third drive. It was painfully slow at times. I also found photoshop (CS4) to use an insane amount of resources when working with 60MB jpegs that I was given. Opening programs and letting them sit there isn't the same as opening a large project. Visual Studio will also suck you dry.

I'm not saying I'm the typical gamer as I don't even have time (or the desire since game innovation has been pretty stagnant for over a decade now) to game but once every few months or so, for half a day or so, but I see relatives maxing out 4GB on their basic computers all the time, and they aren't gamers. You have to keep in mind that a lot don't run ESET (which has also gotten a bit more bloated in recent years, but better than most) and other similar programs. Symantec applications DO protect typical people, but the suite itself can consume closer to 1GB just on its it. Firefox is still widely used, although I haven't seen a version that didn't have odd memory usage issues in years. Anyway, ssds help hide low memory, and with the prices being dirt cheap as of late, I've tried pushing everyone over to them first, then more memory (if ddr3) second.

I'm sure you'll agree that for these prices, there is no reason NOT to run 4x4GB sticks in recent computers.

This is desktop ram, right?

Quote from peppermint : This is desktop ram, right?

Yes. Ultra low profile, (height is smaller than other ram)

Great RAM, Great Price, Great Reviews

Thanks for posting

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I installed this 4x4GB RAM on ASRock Extreme4 z77 mobo but never overclocked it.
Can someone pls give a link on how to OC this RAM the best way? and also what would be the most effective setting? is 1866 enough? what timing?
I'm using my pc mostly for gaming and some photoshop / lightroom and occasional family video.
Thanks.

Quote from nikets01 : Again, what you said in previous post is the need of 16GB for gaming. Most gaming people don't do what you do. Here is a demonstration of my PC http://i.imgur.com/kDVrs.jpg Running Starcraft max setting, 1080p, chrome, word, excel, powerpoint, Photoshop, Dreamweaver, uTorrent, Skype, Yahoo, Steam, Origin and ESET at the same time, 4.5 GB usage. (I doubt anyone do this much at the same time) Not to mention I'm running an Apache/PHP/MySQL server to host my website directly from the SSD.(notice the icon next to windows update is of Apache) As for SSD, turning off hibernation and page file is necessary to save space and retain the speed. You don't need hibernation at all since power up/restart take a mere 10 seconds more or less. Page file can be adjust as needed (typically 2-4GB for today computing) anything trigger a low memory alert with this amount of pagefile indicate it's time to buy more RAM). Again, from a gamer perspective. Don't bring up what you do as your regular basis to a gaming setup. 8 GB is enough.

*Almost* everything you said is right on, and nice taste in software . The one thing that might not be the case for some users is turning off hibernation, given it provides you the ability to leave everything running on your PC EXACTLY how it was, while having the PC/laptop completely shutdown for an extended period of time with no risk of losing any data or work states, Sleep does the same thing, but will drain your batt so not good for extended period of time w/o risking using your work state. Most apps handle it just fine, the exceptions being the ones that are client server based and require a persistent connection before the server kills the session due to ping timeouts or whatever (IRC, etc.).

That is actually a DOWNSIDE to having so much RAM *if* you have a small system disk, is that 16 GB of RAM increases the footprint of both the page file (if you have one, where with 16GB or RAM and my work style, I don't), as WELL as a hibernation file, which is basically a snapshot of EVERYTHING that is currently in RAM to disk before shutting down the PC (I am assuming you know this, I am posting for others who may not). So if you use page file, you should use a system managed page file size to reduce the impact of that, but with hibernation (on Vista anyway, having upgraded her to 7 yet, she is resistant to change ), hibernation takes 16GB of disk space, period.

But, if you have enough room on your system drive and you are the uber multitasking type, hibernation is a great time saver. Hibernation & SSD together ROCK even more given it is SOOOO much faster to read the 16 GB RAM snapshot from disk back to RAM. Boot time savings isn't the the point of hibernation, rather saving time by avoiding having to save all of your work(although work should be saved frequently anyway , definitely including right before hibernating, just in case, but clicking the save button is all of 2 sec, unless you are vid editing and some rendering/saving to disk is required) and shutting down all of the programs that you are working on, and finally shitting down the OS... then later booting, starting up all of your programs, and reopening all of the files/work that wasn't yet completed. The time savings for those uber mutlitaskers can be quite significant, in my wife's case probably about 20-25 min per hibernate, given how long PS takes to load with all of the plugins she uses, etc. Even off of an SSD, CS 6 PS still takes several minutes to load, when from an HDD it was coffee break time while waiting for CS/PS to load .

*I* don't work that way, but my wife is an artist and it is a fantastic feature for her where she may have 20+ in progress projects open in many different programs, and basically her being able to flip to a particular program/project when inspiration strikes is paramount, but she also has to turn off her laptop frequently when travelling from gig to gig. For her and people like her, hibernation is awesome.

For those that are wondering what the difference are between hibernation, sleep, etc., here is a nice explanation from MS: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-U...-questions

Quote from manyee : I installed this 4x4GB RAM on ASRock Extreme4 z77 mobo but never overclocked it. Can someone pls give a link on how to OC this RAM the best way? and also what would be the most effective setting? is 1866 enough? what timing? I'm using my pc mostly for gaming and some photoshop / lightroom and occasional family video. Thanks.

Most people have success running this kit at 1866 9-9-9-24 1T/1N with 1.35v, though there might be other settings specific to your setup that also need to be taken care of, in order to ensure complete stability. If you have never overclocked before, use this guide/thread [overclock.net] as your reference.

Quote from OBWan : Most people have success running this kit at 1866 9-9-9-24 1T/1N with 1.35v, though there might be other settings specific to your setup that also need to be taken care of, in order to ensure complete stability. If you have never overclocked before, use this guide/thread [overclock.net] as your reference.

thanks for the link. just bought a 3570K and ASRock board along with this RAM. i've OC'd before, but this is a very thorough guide.

Quote from Mike C : That is actually a DOWNSIDE to having so much RAM *if* you have a small system disk, is that 16 GB of RAM increases the footprint of both the page file (if you have one, where with 16GB or RAM and my work style, I don't), as WELL as a hibernation file, which is basically a snapshot of EVERYTHING that is currently in RAM to disk before shutting down the PC (I am assuming you know this, I am posting for others who may not). So if you use page file, you should use a system managed page file size to reduce the impact of that, but with hibernation (on Vista anyway, having upgraded her to 7 yet, she is resistant to change ), hibernation takes 16GB of disk space, period. But, if you have enough room on your system drive and you are the uber multitasking type, hibernation is a great time saver. Hibernation & SSD together ROCK even more given it is SOOOO much faster to read the 16 GB RAM snapshot from disk back to RAM. Boot time savings isn't the the point of hibernation, rather saving time by avoiding having to save all of your work(although work should be saved frequently anyway , definitely including right before hibernating, just in case, but clicking the save button is all of 2 sec, unless you are vid editing and some rendering/saving to disk is required) and shutting down all of the programs that you are working on, and finally shitting down the OS... then later booting, starting up all of your programs, and reopening all of the files/work that wasn't yet completed. The time savings for those uber mutlitaskers can be quite significant, in my wife's case probably about 20-25 min per hibernate, given how long PS takes to load with all of the plugins she uses, etc. Even off of an SSD, CS 6 PS still takes several minutes to load, when from an HDD it was coffee break time while waiting for CS/PS to load . *I* don't work that way, but my wife is an artist and it is a fantastic feature for her where she may have 20+ in progress projects open in many different programs, and basically her being able to flip to a particular program/project when inspiration strikes is paramount, but she also has to turn off her laptop frequently when travelling from gig to gig. For her and people like her, hibernation is awesome. For those that are wondering what the difference are between hibernation, sleep, etc., here is a nice explanation from MS: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-U...-questions

you can override the pagefile leaving only a fixed say 2GB and the hit is not that bad as far as hiberfil.sys, you've in fact just replaced pagefile with real memory - I would leave some pagefile up as some applications require it even if you have tons of free memory, I do set my systems to auto hibernate so that I'm not affected by power outages etc. also retains the ability to hibernate when cpu temps get too high via Core Temp

Quote from OBWan : Most people have success running this kit at 1866 9-9-9-24 1T/1N with 1.35v, though there might be other settings specific to your setup that also need to be taken care of, in order to ensure complete stability. If you have never overclocked before, use this guide/thread [overclock.net] as your reference.

Thanks for the link. It's very helpful.
I need to try this out.

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