Canon EOS Digital Rebel T4i 18MP SLR Camera w/ 18-135mm Lens + Canon EF-S 55-250mm Telephoto Zoom Lens + 2x 8GB Sandisk Ultra Class 10 SDHC Memory Card $962 + Free Shipping

Quote from RLagarto : T3i vs t4i: t4i wins 18-135 vs 18-55, are you to snap more with 55-135 range and not trying to take close ups or if you already have a macro i think 18-135 is your best option. 18-55 is not bad for the price has less elements what usually means less light required ( filter size is 58 against 67 for 18-135). but as many mentioned is up to what kind of photos you what to take

Plan on doing a little of everything. I really want to do some night sky time laspe's. Assume the T3i kit would be a little better, but the touchscreen is a nice bump.

Quote from bighamsterneck : Just got the Canon 60D from Fry's BF sale for 860 after tax. I want to use the camera for a lot of video (concerts, events, etc). Should I return and get this kit? Advice? thanks guys

The 60D for $860 is a great price. Is that the body only or did it come with lens too? Hopefully not the 18-55mm kit lens?

Quote from RLagarto : if you want something for videos maybe T4i would be a better option because the auto-focus in Live View feature. but 60d has better photo quality. By the way 860 for a 60D is a good price, I wish there were a Fry's close to me.

Not true. The 60D does NOT have better image quality. If anything, the T4i should have better image quality due to its Digic 5 Processor (vs 60D's Digic 4 Processor), but it doesn't either. Perhaps a firmware update will fix that.

The only difference between T4i and 60D are the features. T4i is more geared towards video and beginners in general (due to its touchscreen feature), while the 60D is more towards professional shooting. But the 60D is two years old and is due for an upgrade, while the T4i is pretty new.

It's all a matter of preference. But I bought the T4i because I wanted the 18-135mm STM lens. If you want me image quality, save your money to spend on better lens =)

Quote from eViLNeWBiE06 : The 60D for $860 is a great price. Is that the body only or did it come with lens too? Hopefully not the 18-55mm kit lens? Not true. The 60D does NOT have better image quality. If anything, the T4i should have better image quality due to its Digic 5 Processor (vs 60D's Digic 4 Processor), but it doesn't either. Perhaps a firmware update will fix that. The only difference between T4i and 60D are the features. T4i is more geared towards video and beginners in general (due to its touchscreen feature), while the 60D is more towards professional shooting. But the 60D is two years old and is due for an upgrade, while the T4i is pretty new. It's all a matter of preference. But I bought the T4i because I wanted the 18-135mm STM lens. If you want me image quality, save your money to spend on better lens =)

The 60D came with the 18-135mm kit lens.

Quote from rbarrette : Plan on doing a little of everything. I really want to do some night sky time laspe's. Assume the T3i kit would be a little better, but the touchscreen is a nice bump.

spend the extra money on a good tripod, grip with extra batteries and a nice old manual lens with adapter.

Quote from osubuckeyefan : More than $300 extra for fewer lenses and accessories... and I got the printer with the rebate that I'll try to sell for $100... so more like $400 extra... I am looking for a more detailed reason why this deal is better before considering switching.

For me, it purely came down to more versatility and ease of use of t4i. This is my first DSLR and I am a parent of two boys 4-6. In my situation:

t3i ($650 deal) vs t4i (this deal)
: Need the extra range of 18-135. I do foresee having to switch between wide end (18 inch) and long end (135) a lot in situations like shooting closeup of kids at play Vs the big picture. zooming in on an animal and back out for family pictures at zoo
: Need touch screen after using my tablets and smartphone
: will definitely use the new fangled features (from camera reviewers) to minimize post processing. My PS experience says that I hardly do any post-processing. i.e. In-camera HDR, better low-light performance
: hoping that STM lens focusses faster than non-STM kit lens of t3i even within 18-55 range. Also know that faster shutter speed (3.6 Vs 5) will help capture the best shot
: may find continuous video AF on t4i useful, but that's not a factor

This is $300 worth in my case. YMMV.

I also live near Fry's to 60D is tempting (+ tax for me though) .. I already passed on the canon refurb price of $779 + tax during BF, so not changing my mind.

60D+18-$135 ($880 in CA fry's) vs t4i (this deal)
: As a beginner, not sure if I need better body construction, LCD, weather-sealing of 60D. I'd rather go with smaller, lighter t4i. Extra heft may make the difference when I decide to pick up a camera Vs sticking to shooting with my smart phone.
: Better lens reviews for 18-135 STM Vs non-STM with 60D
: 2 yr Newer camera with digit 5. Hopefully there will be some improvements under the hood. And lesser chance of buyer remorse as and when 60D successor comes out (should be very soon)
: No 55-250 for $63. Add $200-$225 online price of 55-250, the 60D becomes $100 costlier than this.

Quote from eViLNeWBiE06 : The 60D for $860 is a great price. Is that the body only or did it come with lens too? Hopefully not the 18-55mm kit lens? Not true. The 60D does NOT have better image quality. If anything, the T4i should have better image quality due to its Digic 5 Processor (vs 60D's Digic 4 Processor), but it doesn't either. Perhaps a firmware update will fix that. The only difference between T4i and 60D are the features. T4i is more geared towards video and beginners in general (due to its touchscreen feature), while the 60D is more towards professional shooting. But the 60D is two years old and is due for an upgrade, while the T4i is pretty new. It's all a matter of preference. But I bought the T4i because I wanted the 18-135mm STM lens. If you want me image quality, save your money to spend on better lens =)

I do not disagree with your opinion, I think T4i is better option for shooting movies, but I would like to point that 60D has better color depth 22.2 bits vs 21.7 bits and less noise in hi ISO so that makes for me better image quality (at least in hi ISO).

Quote from bighamsterneck : The 60D came with the 18-135mm kit lens.

Ahhh, not bad at all! =)

The 18-135mm STM lens is a better lens, both for image quality and video, but you won't really get the video benefits unless you have a T4i.

I think you'll be happy sticking with what you have though. The 60D is a solid buy. I personally prefer the features of the 60D over the T4i, but that might just be because I haven't really taken advantage of the video capabilities of the T4i.

Quote from fyu : spend the extra money on a good tripod, grip with extra batteries and a nice old manual lens with adapter.

Also planning on using it for an upcoming vacation to NYC and one in Colorado. Doing lots or nature shots + random shots in NYC. Change your recommendation at all?

Quote from eViLNeWBiE06 : Ahhh, not bad at all! =) The 18-135mm STM lens is a better lens, both for image quality and video, but you won't really get the video benefits unless you have a T4i. I think you'll be happy sticking with what you have though. The 60D is a solid buy. I personally prefer the features of the 60D over the T4i, but that might just be because I haven't really taken advantage of the video capabilities of the T4i.

Was the 60D deal available online?

My 55-250 lens promo is not showing up at checkout on Amazon but the other promos are...what the ?

Quote from rbarrette : Also planning on using it for an upcoming vacation to NYC and one in Colorado. Doing lots or nature shots + random shots in NYC. Change your recommendation at all? Was the 60D deal available online?

keep the kit lens, or get a kit lens

Quote from RLagarto : I do not disagree with your opinion, I think T4i is better option for shooting movies, but I would like to point that 60D has better color depth 22.2 bits vs 21.7 bits and less noise in hi ISO so that makes for me better image quality (at least in hi ISO).

Have you tested out both of them with the same lens? I can't say that I have either, but I've read so many different reviews because I was also someone on the edge between purchasing the two.

Those two differences you stated (slightly more color depth and slightly less noise at higher ISO) shouldn't result in a noticeable change in image quality, especially since these two cameras have the same sensor. But perhaps you have better eyes than I do, which is probably the case.

The T4i usually comes out cheaper than the 60D, and with better lens, so that's why I went for it. Normally you can throw in a 40mm or 50mm f/1.8 with the extra bucks that you save, which definitely improves image quality.

But bighamsterneck stated that he was able to get the 60D for a pretty good price, so I suggested that he keep it =)

Quote from rbarrette : Was the 60D deal available online?

I'm not sure... I think you'll have to ask bighamsterneck =)

Lot of love for Canon... for a similar price why is there not more love for the Sony A56 deal at Adorama? From all the reviews/specs online its a superior camera to the T4i...

At 18mm can I take semi-macro close up shots? I've got a canon powershot that goes to 5mm and I was wondering if 18 will work or do I need another lens.

And isn't there something about this using the same sensor as the t2i?

Sorry but I've used compacts for years so I don't know

why did people need 55-250mm lens if you already got 18-135mm? How much extra range are you getting?