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pullin-gs 234 139 November 30, 2012 at 05:23 AM in Brick & Mortar (B&M) (5) More Cabelas Deals
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Promoted 11-30-2012 by iconian at 12:57 PM View Original Post
Cabelas has Champion 3500 Watt Generator (Weekender Package)for $310 + free shipping after applying coupon code 2WINTER. Thanks pullin-gs
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Edited November 30, 2012 at 10:26 AM by BostonGirl
Champion 3500/4000w $309 shipped.
Free ship code is 2WINTER....said it was good till Dec-12 when I used it....no longer on site though.
Here is a $20-off link good till Dec-4 (coupon-code is emaled to you) for Cabelas...so possible deal is $289 shipped if everthing lines up:

http://www.cabelas.com/custserv/r...obalBanner

Not great, but it is the best one going (I searched for weeks now).
Reviews are great on Amazon.....70+ reviews, average is 4.5 stars
Includes wheel package (normally $50).
I paid zero tax in VA.
I've been waiting for a good deal (delivered) on these for over a month.
BF had them for $297, but that deal was B&M pickup only.

http://www.cabelas.com/generators...1b2166becc
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Last Edited by markitude December 2, 2012 at 08:21 PM
Nope, still $310 as of 7 pm, EST

Showing $379 now . You are right. I was wrong. Still 310.

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#61
A lot of times people buy generators to get them through whatever calamity they have at the time and then park them in the shed / garage till the next time with gas still in it. And expect it to run. Please Please Please use an ethanol treatment such as StaBil (marine formula is good for small engines) in the gas and let the generator run for a minute or two before storage. This will keep your gas fresh for at least a year and you won't be left wondering why it doesn't start and have to pay to get it repaired.
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Quote from empiretc View Post :
YES. it is better to just go with 12, considering it will likely be split.

we have been looking into getting a generator, and when it comes to best bang for the buck, this one seems to be it:

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/..._200360138


220, diesel, and at least 5k watt is a must

Good information [backwoodshome.com] about gas vs diesel. The Northern Tool model runs at 3600 RPM. Same as a gasoline.

A really good diesel generator is going to run at 1,800 RPM under load.

Diesel in general are solid. It is going to be whether the manufacturer screws them up with their control modules from there.
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Diesel in general are solid. It is going to be whether the manufacturer screws them up with their control modules from there.
This is true, and makes us cautious of these china generators. Diesel is the way to go for sure. We always have some available, and even then, fuel stations run out of gas way before diesel.

Quote from weymouthba View Post :
A lot of times people buy generators to get them through whatever calamity they have at the time and then park them in the shed / garage till the next time with gas still in it. And expect it to run.
SO many people do this.... not a problem with diesel powered generators. just 1 of the many reasons they are a better choice. more $$$ though
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So this generator will power two FULL SEPARATE 15 AMP circuit correct?
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Quote from empiretc View Post :
YES. it is better to just go with 12, considering it will likely be split.

we have been looking into getting a generator, and when it comes to best bang for the buck, this one seems to be it:

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/..._200360138


220, diesel, and at least 5k watt is a must
Reading the Q&A on that page, there's one that asks about powering a refridgerator. The answer says this unit "is not a sine wave generator" that it shouldn't be used to power electronics.

Is this some BS from the answer guy or is there truth to it?
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Quote from kcheyne View Post :
Reading the Q&A on that page, there's one that asks about powering a refridgerator. The answer says this unit "is not a sine wave generator" that it shouldn't be used to power electronics.

Is this some BS from the answer guy or is there truth to it?
non-inverter generators do not produce a 'perfect' sinewave and the amplitude and frequency vary with engine speed. Those products sensitive to line power will be affected by a non-inverter generator. Your fridge should be fine - the biggest deal with motor loads is the startup energy needed and though your running watts may be 160W, startup may be 2KW. Go overboard on wattage for these types of loads. If the motors cannot be started, you'll just bog down the generator and can shorten the life of you motor equipped devices.

I have a Yamaha inverter '2000W' generator. It won't start my fridge in ECO mode. Output is very clean so it will be great for my PC, UPS's, phone system, etc but a bit undersized for a bunch of motor equipped items.
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It might be pretty easy. My furnace has a light switch right next to it which I took apart and exposed the wired (hot, neutral and ground). I cut and stripped an extension cord and plug one end into generator and the stripped end connected to the correct wires.

I did my neighbor's and he had a power outlet connected to the switch so we made an extension cord with two male ends and plugged one into the generator and the other into the outlet. You can also buy a cord with two male ends.

IMPORTANT - you need to turn off the breaker for the furnace. If you don't, you could kill yourself and you can backfeed power into the rest of the house and out to the street. If you send power out to the street, you can kill a repair guy that is expecting dead wires.


I am not an electrician and you should get someone who is familiar with the type of stuff to help. Also do google searches and so on.

My furnace has an emergency shut off switch (looks like a regular light switch but colored red).

Supply from main electric panel comes to this switch first and then the output of this switch goes to the furnace.

I am planning to shutdown the main breaker and then add an outlet at the input of this red switch. This outlet then can be used to switch to generator in case of power outage.

However normally it would be connected to the wire coming from the main panel.

Thanks
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non-inverter generators do not produce a 'perfect' sinewave and the amplitude and frequency vary with engine speed. Those products sensitive to line power will be affected by a non-inverter generator. Your fridge should be fine - the biggest deal with motor loads is the startup energy needed and though your running watts may be 160W, startup may be 2KW. Go overboard on wattage for these types of loads. If the motors cannot be started, you'll just bog down the generator and can shorten the life of you motor equipped devices.

I have a Yamaha inverter '2000W' generator. It won't start my fridge in ECO mode. Output is very clean so it will be great for my PC, UPS's, phone system, etc but a bit undersized for a bunch of motor equipped items.
Thanks for all the information in this thread everyone !!

Now, I did buy this one, so is it safe to use this to power the furnace, is the output clean enough? I don't want to fry my new high efficiency furnace circuit board... Does it help to stick a surge protector inbetween? Any thoughts on that?
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A 7k should be able to power most of a house (excluding dryer and a few other things) .. My parent's 8k power powered 2 fridges, pellet stove, tv's, lights, water pump etc.

Were you running it from the wall outlets (120) on the generator? That could be why as those plugs don't power much. You need the 240 or service plugs in the house.

And in case anyone is thinking dont try plugging in via male in to the wall outlet and back feeding the house, not only will you overload the plug but you are back feeding unused power via the ground to the line (even with the main shut off)
Sorry, I think you misread my post. I was saying that I had this huge (this particular generator could have powered 2 houses if not going nuts on the power draw) generator, but could not connect it to the furnace due to the wiring. Not that the generator didn't have enough juice. The generator had 4 120v outlets and a 240v. Since I was only powering a refrigerator, basement dehumidifier, basement chest freezer, and lights/chargers, I was nowhere near coming even close to making it break a sweat. My furnace would have barely even shown up on a reading (basically just a closed-loop water pump) if I could have hooked it up (probably less than 200w continuous use I'd guess).

I'm interested to hear more detail about what you said at the end of your comment. Here's the reason why: We have an old house that actually has 2 mains. One old-school hand crank (think electrocution chair switch) that is right near the meter, and our new breaker box. My thought was if we ever hooked up a whole-house switch where we could use the generator to power the breaker box I'd just throw the old-school one which is closer to the meter and that would isolate us from the grid. Sounds like you are saying that it still isn't isolated due to the ground. Is that correct?EEK!
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#70
One of the best tips I can give anyone running a generator which uses gasoline is use 100% gasoline. DO NOT use ethanol based gas.

Ethanol based gas wreaks havoc on most engines and components today. Especially generators, lawn mowers, leaf blowers and string trimmers.

There are some websites which will tell you who sells 100% gasoline. Try it for your car. You will see a much different ride, and fuel efficiency.
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Quote from snedman View Post :
One of the best tips I can give anyone running a generator which uses gasoline is use 100% gasoline. DO NOT use ethanol based gas.

Ethanol based gas wreaks havoc on most engines and components today. Especially generators, lawn mowers, leaf blowers and string trimmers.

There are some websites which will tell you who sells 100% gasoline. Try it for your car. You will see a much different ride, and fuel efficiency.
Unfortunately not all of us have easy access to it. Frown

http://www.buyrealgas.com/
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#72
I own this exact package from Cabela's and I think it's the best value in an emergency/recreational generator for most people. I'd been looking at this, and other generators, ever since our basement nearly flooded during Irene and I had to hook up our sump pump to the neighbors generator with 300' of extension cords in the rain. Through absolute dumb luck, I got a deal alert and purchased it in mid-Oct as Cabelas was stacking free shipping and the $20 off, for a total of $299 shipped, which I couldn't pass up. It was delivered the day I first heard about the possibility for Sandy to come up the east coast (about a week before the storm hit).

I added oil (10-30 is recommended for most climates) and some fuel to test and it started right up. Ran for about 20 min, tested a few loads, and all was good in the world.

When Sandy hit, we lost power for 7 days. I ran this virtually 24x7 (except for the first two days when I was cycling it on and off for 4-hour periods to conserve gas). Changed the oil twice, once during the break-in and once after about 4 days. It is recommended to change at least every 100hrs of operation. I'm going to change it again this weekend and run it with some fresh fuel/Sta-bil to get it ready for winter.

It started on the first pull every single time (I was filling the tank about 1-2 times per day). Powered varying loads, but ran a 1/2hp sump pump, some lights with CFL's, and the fridge the first day. I took the sump off after the first day since it wasn't needed any longer, and hooked up a 1500W space heater, TV, fridge, lights, and various device chargers and flashlights. At times, I would take the fridge off for about two hours and replace it with a second 1500W ceramic heater to keep warmer.

The noise of this generator is no different than any other generator (except an expensive Honda). Running it outside, I didn't notice the sound at all.

Important note about the receptacles: It has one 15amp 3 prong standard receptacle (5-15R), 1 RV receptacle, and 1 3-prong twist lock adapter. The 5-15R and RV outlet are on one breaker, and the twist lock is on another breaker. This is nice for versatility, but you'll need an adapter if you want to utilize the full 3500/4000W , as you will need the other outlets (the one 15am outlet will only handle up to ~2800 watts, so you need an adapter if you want to pull the full 3500/4000 as you must use the 30am twist lock receptacle either for the full load or split with the RV/5-15R).

As such, I suggest purchasing the following two accessories to make full use of the generator:
http://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Cab...=pd_ybh_11
http://www.amazon.com/Conntek-Mal...=pd_ybh_13

The obvious thing to remember with any gas generator is that it takes gas. So you need gas during an emergency. Alot of gas. This is a nice medium wattage generator that ran for about 14hrs on a 4-gallon tank for me. If you're looking at getting a larger generator, say a 7000W or 9000W, you might end up consuming 6-8 gallons of gas in the same period. I don't have the capacity to store 16 gallons of gas for one day's usage, not to mention the expense of running it. I think this Champion is a nice balance between enough power for essential appliances and fuel efficiency.
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So this generator will power two FULL SEPARATE 15 AMP circuit correct?
At full load it says it would give you about 3500W, that should be close enough to run
2 15 amp 120V AC circuits. Just keep in mind the power is not really clean, and it may not
run the equipment just as well as the utility power.
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#74
I appreciate the above post by "nohomers1" which states the recepticle voltage limits. I to have been researching portable generators for awhile and this Champion gets high marks from basically any site you look at. I think I will go with the "Tractor Supply" $299 deal w/o the wheel kit and cover because I would actually like to see if it powers what I want it to power without dealing with shipping should I need to return it.

I need a generator that I can toss in my truck and power a 1 HP Craftsman Air Compressor in the field and the math works out (volts x amps = watts) 120 x 10.5 = 1260 watts with about 2520 required for initial startup but almost every manual I look at (including the one of the Champion) says to have a 5 kW + generator to run a 1-1.5 HP air compressor.....reviews state otherwise.....I'm on the fence with this purchase LOL.
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