AMD CPU FX-8320 Vishera Socket AM3+ $166 + FS @Amazon

Quote from MeatCatalog : wow, its pretty dumb that AMD didn't change the naming if its 2nd gen. 8300 vs 8100 sounds like the same generation but would be like 100mhz faster. I didn't even know this was a 2nd gen bulldozer until this thread. NOT GOOD AMD.

Barring something drastic, it isn't looking likely AMD isn't even going to be a company in 2 or 3 years time, maybe less. Their current problems go far beyond naming conventions, sadly. The PC CPU market is stagnating and Intel is eating their lunch in almost all price points. AMD has almost zero presence in the mobile/tablet/ultra low power CPU market.

Quote from Castaa : Barring something drastic, it isn't looking likely AMD isn't even going to be a company in 2 or 3 years time. Maybe less. Their current problems go far beyond naming conventions, sadly.

Having once worked for AMD I can say that there are a lot of problems that just can't be overcome. Intel's dominance and business savvy tactics triumphed over AMD even when AMD had a superior product in the Athlon 64 and X2 days. Intel is an order of magnitude larger than AMD with all the resources. So poaching talent from AMD was not an issue. If you're an engineer for AMD and intel offers you $300k a year to come design for them, you're gunna leave. Just business. Microsoft is pretty similar.

In the end the consumer is who suffers here. But nothing can be done, really.

Still, AMD will survive making low and midgrade end CPUs and high end GPUs. Their new FM2 A10 cpus are the same power roughly as the core 2 quads with a built in gpu that would high end from that same era (about 2008). Not a bad value for $100ish. Not bad whatsoever considering this is more processing power than most people need even today. So AMD might turn a profit again soon.

The bulldozer effort however was their last effort at the high end. Will die soon enough because making 8 core cpus and selling them wholesale for $150 or so is just not profitable.

Quote from MeatCatalog : Having once worked for AMD I can say that there are a lot of problems that just can't be overcome. Intel's dominance and business savvy tactics triumphed over AMD even when AMD had a superior product in the Athlon 64 and X2 days. Intel is an order of magnitude larger than AMD with all the resources. So poaching talent from AMD was not an issue. If you're an engineer for AMD and intel offers you $300k a year to come design for them, you're gunna leave. Just business. Microsoft is pretty similar. In the end the consumer is who suffers here. But nothing can be done, really.

Ya, as a long time AMD user (over 10 years now), it is sad. What would keep Intel from really jacking up prices once AMD is officially gone.

Yeah I always had AMD CPU's in the past and had no qualms with them. I switched to a first gen i5-760 when they were released because I found a sweet below cost deal. Now I feel bad for AMD If I was ready for an upgrade I'd easily pick up an 8320 over any of Intel's offerings. It just has the best bang for buck value if you want a good cheap high end gaming PC. Also just to try and help keep them in business.

At this point what is another 30 for the 8350?

Quote from TonyG : At this point what is another 30 for the 8350?

$30 is $30, can be used for a mobo/video card, etc.

Likewise, have you ever noticed how AMD's chipsets on their motherboards are always superior in components and goodies? Seriously, the current south bridge line-up (SB810 and the 9xx series I think?) offers like 6x SATA3 ports along with RAID 0/1/5/10 etc and several USB3 inputs.

Intel's offerings on the other hand are extremely lacking. Their budget boards at best offer 2x SATA3 ports and usually don't have RAID and maybe have 2 USB3 on the back.

Quote from Castaa : Barring something drastic, it isn't looking likely AMD isn't even going to be a company in 2 or 3 years time, maybe less. Their current problems go far beyond naming conventions, sadly. The PC CPU market is stagnating and Intel is eating their lunch in almost all price points. AMD has almost zero presence in the mobile/tablet/ultra low power CPU market.

If the rumors that AMD hardware is powering the next generation of game consoles are true (PS4 and Xbox 720), then I would say they have an extremely bright future; at least the foreseeable future (next ~6-7 years). Selling lots of PC hardware is great and all, but supplying GPUs and/or CPUs for the major console holders in the hundreds of millions of units? That's going to be an extreme profitable and advantageous position to be in.

I would say Nvidia's inability to secure a contract with any of the three platform holders (Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo) is a bigger cause for concern for them.

My first AMD CPU was the 500Mhz K6 with 3D NOW! processor and I have been with them since. I wonder what I would do if they die out.

Quote from Staticks : If the rumors that AMD hardware is powering the next generation of game consoles is to be believed (PS4 and Xbox 720), then I would say they have an extremely bright future; at least the foreseeable future (next ~6-7 years). Selling lots of PC hardware is great and all, but supplying GPUs and/or CPUs for the major console holders in the hundreds of millions of units? That's going to be an extreme profitable position to be in. I would say Nvidia's inability to secure a contract with any of the three platform holders (Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo) is a bigger cause for concern for them.

Nvidia's making plenty of money in tablets with Tegra 3, and Nvidia took away GPU shares from BOTH Intel and AMD (Tegra took GPU share from Intel, GeForce took GPU share from AMD)

So no tears for Nvidia

Quote from nanikore : Nvidia's making plenty of money in tablets with Tegra 3, and Nvidia took away GPU shares from BOTH Intel and AMD (Tegra took GPU share from Intel, GeForce took GPU share from AMD) So no tears for Nvidia

True, but I would also say that it's just a matter of time before AMD starts investing more resources into creating chips for the mobile and tablet market themselves.

Quote from MeatCatalog : Having once worked for AMD I can say that there are a lot of problems that just can't be overcome. Intel's dominance and business savvy tactics triumphed over AMD...

AMD's marketing department stinks, its tactics were just as shady

http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/vie...44&t=24247

No wonder the lot of them got fired. Too bad the damage was already done.

Is this worth upgrading from an 1100t at stock speeds?

Tempting, my son currently has an FX8120 running @ 4.2GHz in his PC, and it spanks anything he throws at it, so I'll probably pass for now. The way AMD is doing, these are only going to get cheaper.

Quote from Staticks : True, but I would also say that it's just a matter of time before AMD starts investing more resources into creating chips for the mobile and tablet market themselves.

A matter of time means an eternity in the market. There has been way too many miscalculations and everything is too little too late. Think of this... Even when AMD ARM-based server products are announced, the chips wouldn't get here until at least 2014. Now think of the stuff that hasn't even made it into an announcement yet.

AMD at this moment already has to pawn off its campus in Texas. I'm hearing faint echoes of a swan song.

Intel on the other hand isn't even looking in AMD's direction anymore because ARM is now breathing down their necks- Look at how Broadwell chips would be solder-on is rather telling, in how they'd have to cut costs like crazy just to stay in the same race as ARM.

It's a different world.