HTC Windows Phone 8X 16GB FREE After Rebate & 2yr @ T-Mobile.com

Tried calling loyalty quite a few times was unable to get them to budge on price for this as an upgrade to an existing line. Also, the customer service has declined over the years. I must say though, I have tmobile for my personal phone and att for my work phone and they still are cheaper rates and better customer service than att. I think Im gonna be better off upgrading my iPhone 4 work phone to a 5 and just get my 4 unlocked for my tmobile line.

Quote from Jamillah81 : Tried calling loyalty quite a few times was unable to get them to budge on price for this as an upgrade to an existing line. Also, the customer service has declined over the years. I must say though, I have tmobile for my personal phone and att for my work phone and they still are cheaper rates and better customer service than att. I think Im gonna be better off upgrading my iPhone 4 work phone to a 5 and just get my 4 unlocked for my tmobile line.

Their customer service is horrible by design right now.

T-Mobile just laid off nearly their entire US staff after the failed merger with AT&T. They've gone so far as to even close the majority of the Network Operation Centers.

What they're doing instead is selling their infrastructure and their facilities to AT&T on the down low to get around the DOJ blocking the merger. T-Mobile will eventually just be an AT&T reseller of sorts with leased AT&T equipment, and if they bankrupt --they still sold off the network...

The price difference between monthly service on a subsidized phone and pay monthly is 80/month, so over the life of the contract it will cost you almost 1900 for the phone. Something tells me it may be cheaper to buy the phone unsubsidized then use the pay monthly service

Quote from renegade4box : The price difference between monthly service on a subsidized phone and pay monthly is 80/month, so over the life of the contract it will cost you almost 1900 for the phone. Something tells me it may be cheaper to buy the phone unsubsidized then use the pay monthly service

What in the Hell are you doing that even costs $80/month for a single phone? I'm not paying anywhere near that...

Quote from Dillweed : Their customer service is horrible by design right now. T-Mobile just laid off nearly their entire US staff after the failed merger with AT&T. They've gone so far as to even close the majority of the Network Operation Centers. What they're doing instead is selling their infrastructure and their facilities to AT&T on the down low to get around the DOJ blocking the merger. T-Mobile will eventually just be an AT&T reseller of sorts with leased AT&T equipment, and if they bankrupt --they still sold off the network...

This is not true at all. Where do you get this impression from? They sold their towers to a tower wholesaler, which is common for carriers to do. They are NOT trying to become a mirror of ATT...

Quote from Enicity : Not a bad deal at all for those Windows Phone fanatics out there. I use the iPhone 5 but I'm curious, how well do any of you out there with a Windows Phone find it the OS to be? Features like the live tiles and its elegant design always seemed interesting to me.

The one big thing Windows Phone is missing is developer mindshare. Microsoft may be able to tout "46 of the top 50 apps" on Windows Phone, but when it comes to the next big popular app that everyone is using, that will always appear on iOS or Android first, just by virtue of their market-leading install base. Many times, when the popular apps make it to Windows Phone, it's because Microsoft paid the developer to make it. For example: Words With Friends and Draw Something -- The Android and iOS world had already moved on to the next big thing by the time Windows Phone users were able to join in. It's like wanting to talk around the watercooler about a movie everyone else saw a year ago. Other app ecosystem shortcomings -- only one pizza ordering app, only one or two bank apps, stores and media outlets generally don't make WP apps.

Microsoft's ad blitz is getting a lot of people to give Windows Phone a second (or first) look, which is a nice first step in winning developer mindshare, but if the entire WP8 run gains 10% of the market in the US, I'll be flabbergasted. A 10% marketshare platform is one developers will consider eventually (even without Microsoft's checkbook,) but it won't be the first platform they develop a new app for.

As far as the OS itself, I think it's missing one major thing -- a unified notification center. The idea be to have your lock screen be your notification center, and have all other notifications appear on your pinned tiles. I still think it needs one, and one may be in the works for the mid-2013 update.

Even though I'm being a little bit critical, it's obvious I'm completely in-the-tank for Windows Phone (check the avatar! ) The people who choose Windows Phone are those who value the overall OS experience, and don't need to be the first to have the new apps, because that's not going to happen anytime in the near future.

The biggest hooks WP has for it right now are
Windows 8 - Helps win some developer mindshare with the unified Win8/WP8 developer platform. Even though the install base of Win8 is tiny compared to Win7, it's gigantic compared to Windows Phone. When developers make a Win8 app, it becomes very easy to port to WP8.
XBOX 360 - XBOX fans may respond to XBOX Windows Phone branded app games with achievement points.
Tiles - They're the new "rounded corners!" Consumers may respond to the tile interface spanning all Microsoft brands.

Quote from joelfreak : This is not true at all. Where do you get this impression from? They sold their towers to a tower wholesaler, which is common for carriers to do. They are NOT trying to become a mirror of ATT...

I'm not sure about anything Dillweed said, but they are definitely giving themselves the option to divest from the US market. The MetroPCS reverse acquisition makes them a publicly traded company without having to go through the IPO process. This means that Deutsche Telekom can unload their shares, slowly divesting over many years.

Their tower lease deal is for 28 years, at which point the lessee has the option to buy the towers, so I'm thinking Deutsche Telekom's exit plan is exactly 28 years. Which doesn't mean that T-Mobile will no longer exist, it will just be under public ownership.

THAT is true. But to say that they are aiming to make themselves a slave to ATT is just not true.

Quote from joelfreak : This is not true at all. Where do you get this impression from? They sold their towers to a tower wholesaler, which is common for carriers to do. They are NOT trying to become a mirror of ATT...

You might want to check who owns those towers now...

T Mobile is trying to pull out of the USA, but they are going to leave a shell of the telecom they were before until they can do it completely. It's why they were attempting to merge in the first place.

Quote from joelfreak : THAT is true. But to say that they are aiming to make themselves a slave to ATT is just not true.

You're extrapolating into ludicrous territory because you didn't understand my statement. I said they'd be a reseller of sorts. They're leasing the majority of their towers right now. Leasing infrastructure, outsourcing customer service, outsourcing network operations, and AT&T owns the network.

Slavery to AT&T? Nope.

Trying to backdoor around a DOJ block on the real reason behind the merger (getting out of the US and selling AT&T the assets that matter)? Yup.

did they expire this randomly today? The web offer says good through 12/9, and it's still 12/9, but it seems to be gone now... showing up $199 after rebate

Quote from Samlt2k1 : did they expire this randomly today? The web offer says good through 12/9, and it's still 12/9, but it seems to be gone now... showing up $199 after rebate

Yeah, it is dead now. Now that I think of it, when they ran the Free Lumia 810 deal they ended it a few hours early as well.

Must be close-of-business east coast time, or something.

Quote from Dillweed : You're extrapolating into ludicrous territory because you didn't understand my statement. I said they'd be a reseller of sorts. They're leasing the majority of their towers right now. Leasing infrastructure, outsourcing customer service, outsourcing network operations, and AT&T owns the network. Slavery to AT&T? Nope. Trying to backdoor around a DOJ block on the real reason behind the merger (getting out of the US and selling AT&T the assets that matter)? Yup.

But they are not outsourcing to ATT at ALL. In fact, they are a thorn in their side at this point. ALL cellular carriers generally lease their towers. Owning the towers is actually NOT the norm nowdays. Do I think that TMobile will be sold/spunoff soon? Yes. Do I think that it is in ANY way trying to enable ATT to own the assets? No...DT is not stupid. They are going to keep the spectrum and the customers to sell, not to farm out to ATT and not get paid for it.

Quote from 198four : They are a lying bunch. When they signed up for their contract, they told me I'll pay 99 / month on 2 lines and $10 on every additional line. 2 months later i get a bill for $250 with data plan automatically added to all my lines. When i called in they said its required with a smart phone and they wouldn't take it off. I am not a bad person but I really hope this company goes bankrupt

dang...from just over a 100 to two holy frikking hundred and fity plus