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These can probably do 1600 MHz at 1.5 V, I had a pair of kingston sticks that could do it just fine. Finally, the wiki is wrong. You will not void your warranty by running RAM at 1.65 V. There's no way for intel to know what RAM you used. Sandy/Ivy bridge prefers lower voltage RAM because the memory control is now on the chip (not the case for AMD), but again, not a big issue. |
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Yeah sorry bro, I'm going by the Intel rep on this one (the one I quoted in wiki). His exactly words were that he asked Intel engineers and "was told that doing so is pushing the tolerance on the memory controller and can damage the processor and void the warranty." If second-gen (Sandy, at 32nm) was that fragile, how fragile is third-gen (Ivy), considering the tiny 22nm process that it's built on? Also, you can see on newegg and forums that Intel can and does reject warranty claims if you admit to overvolting beyond 1.5v, the current Sandy/Ivy standard. 1600MHz@1.5v RAM is plentiful. Why bother saving a few bucks on this RAM when you can get 1.5v RAM for a few bucks more and be able to run it at 1600 MHz? (On the other hand there is little real-life difference between 1333 and 1600 MHz in most applications, including many games, so you could just buy OP's RAM and set it at 1333@1.5v, but even then, this is hardly a slick deal when you can find 1333@1.5v RAM for this kind of price range if you wait for sales). ***EXCEPTION*** If you are gaming on the embedded GPU inside a CPU (AMD calls the CPU/GPU "Fusion" or "APUs"), especially for higher-end CPU/GPUs like AMD's higher-end Llanos, then you want to have the fastest RAM possible in order to not bottleneck graphics. But that is more of a laptop/notebook exception in real life, because desktop users typically don't stress their GPUs much (some light Flash games, watching Youtube, etc. is just fine at 1333MHz RAM), or they have dedicated video cards and don't even use the embedded GPU anyway. I don't know even one person who plays hardcore video games on a desktop using the embedded GPU on their CPU, not when you can get dedicated video cards that are much faster and not that expensive. Maybe in another few years.... You are also basically telling people that it's probably okay to undervolt their RAM on the basis of one particular set of sticks you have, which you imply to mean running 1600@1.65v sticks of RAM at 1600@1.5v (because if your other sticks were 1600@1.5v and you ran them at 1600@1.5v... who cares, they are in spec). There are several problems with that statement. First of all, due to your wrong statements elsewhere in your post, I suspect that you didn't thoroughly test your RAM. By thorough, I mean at least 1000% coverage in HCI Memtest, followed by several passes in Memtest86+, and then large and small blends in Prime95. Because any one of those three alone may not catch memory errors; there are TONS of stories of people who got weird errors on their computers, ran Memtest86+ for DAYS and didn't see anything wrong, then ran HCI Memtest and within MINUTES got errors. Second of all, as SDers know, YMMV. Kingston doesn't make its own RAM. It sources RAM from one of the major players (typically Samsung, Hynix, or Micron/Elpida). Because Kingston switches memory vendors all the time, one set of RAM may not match up to another set of RAM despite having the exact same Kingston model number and appearance on the outside. So you may have gotten a particularly good set of RAM. Even if Kingston did make its own RAM, there are batch issues, and anytime you run out of spec, such as undervolting and keeping the clocks high (as opposed to undervolting and dropping clocks, like I had suggested in wiki), you run the risk of there being problems. I would be comfortable running OP's RAM at 1333@1.5v, not so comfortable at 1600@1.5v. You usually get a safety margin to do such things, but it can vary depending on who is doing the quality control and how much of a safety cushion you have to play with. Anytime you force electricity through semiconductors you degrade them, and after a while (say, over 10 years in the case of Intel CPUs that are run in-spec) they become so degraded that they can't even run in spec anymore. There are tons of ignorant teenagers on hardware forums who burned out their CPUs within a couple of years because they severely overvolted and overclocked them, which of course severely cut the projected lifespans of the CPUs. While running 1.65v RAM probably isn't an immediate CPU-killer, it adds stress and heat and accelerates degradation. There is no way you could say with confidence that the CPU will last 5-10 years unless you are an Intel engineer who did those kinds of studies, and furthermore, some people keep their computers for that long or longer. Lastly, the CPU and RAM are the parts of the computer I'd least like to run out of spec. Why? Because if either one goofs, it could mean errors--sometimes loud ones like the entire system crashing--as well as quiet errors... the so-called silent data corruption kind where you don't discover data corruption until years later, when you're trying to open those priceless photos you took that somehow got corrupted. Conversely, overclocking a GPU or something nonessential like that is less problematic, because noncritical things (like Youtube videos, or video game code) gets run on video cards and will not affect anything essential. Last edited by goldchocobo; 12-10-2012 at 05:15 AM.. If you liked it then you shoulda put a rep on it!
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Dang it, was going to get 2 of these. But once i read the tidbit between Intel CPU's and 1.65v ram, i'd rather play it on the safe side and stay with 1.5v ram.
What is Kingston thinking with 1.65v ram if Intel CPU's are made for 1.5v? That elminates potentially their biggest market. |
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