DEAD - APC ups 1500VA 865w J25B battery back up/power conditioner Best Buy $99

Quote from phillip9 : darn... I missed it. { im sure the jerks will have it loaded up on flea-bay any second now. }

ebay flippers in for a bad time, these things are heavy/PITA to ship

Quote from DQue : $99 for a UPS with NO AVR? I don't think it's that much of a great deal. AVR is a MUST have! Pure sin wave or not is optional but AVR is totally different.

Guy over in AVS forums says that his J25B is trimming the incoming voltage. Possible that it will trim but not boost. Although if it sags too much I would think the battery would just kick in.

Quote from brbubba : I've probably dealt with over 100 UPS' of varying types in my years and I've never once seen one leak or even anecdotally heard of one leaking. That's not to say that it's impossible, but the units do come with insurance guarantees.

I've seen a Smart Ups 1100 and 1400 leak. Both at work. I was told to just throw them out and grab another one.

Quote from mr7rizt4n : back in stock! it was in my cart earlier and i just missed it, refreshed everyone once and a while and it came back up as available for shipping, just ordered one.

Same here. Ordered one at 2:15 EST. Thank you, OP!!!!

Back in stock. Just ordered one. Expedited shipping (free since I'm silver). Including the $5 RZGC I used, it was $100 and change with tax.

I need one of these, especially living in Florida.

is this a standard rack mount size? For example, is it the same size as all my receiver/dvd components? I would want it to match with the rest of the stuff.

Isn't the whole idea of power conditioning to decouple input AC and output AC by converting it to DC (battery) between the two? If normal power does indeed come from a DC to AC inverter, than doesn't the device inherently do what most of us consider AVR? If the input stage voltage spikes or sags, the AC to DC rectifier will simply draw less or more amperage to supply adequate DC current for the battery and output inverter, no? I have a very loose approximation of understanding how power conditioners work, so I could be wildly off base here.

Quote from GuitsBoy : Isn't the whole idea of power conditioning to decouple input AC and output AC by converting it to DC (battery) between the two? If normal power does indeed come from a DC to AC inverter, than doesn't the device inherently do what most of us consider AVR? If the input stage voltage spikes or sags, the AC to DC rectifier will simply draw less or more amperage to supply adequate DC current for the battery and output inverter, no? I have a very loose approximation of understanding how power conditioners work, so I could be wildly off base here.

something like that but not quite.

this UPS does not do AVR and does not seperate AC Input and output. the charging circuit charges the batteries in parallel and only feeds the inverter when voltage limit (high or low) is reached. until then the ports are powered by the mains. when power fails or drops or rises above configured voltage it switches over to battery power fast enough to maintain AC power to the connected devices.

Quote from hightop32 : something like that but not quite. this UPS does not do AVR and does not seperate AC Input and output. the charging circuit charges the batteries in parallel and only feeds the inverter when voltage limit (high or low) is reached. until then the ports are powered by the mains. when power fails or drops or rises above configured voltage it switches over to battery power fast enough to maintain AC power to the connected devices.

If so, then how is this a "power conditioner" and not simply a UPS? If the mains AC is passed directly through to the AC equipment, it is in no way conditioning at all.

Quote from GuitsBoy : If so, then how is this a "power conditioner" and not simply a UPS? If the mains AC is passed directly through to the AC equipment, it is in no way conditioning at all.

*shrug* must have some basic filtering, specs mention noise filtering.

Quote from GuitsBoy : If so, then how is this a "power conditioner" and not simply a UPS? If the mains AC is passed directly through to the AC equipment, it is in no way conditioning at all.

Quote from hightop32 : *shrug* must have some basic filtering, specs mention noise filtering.

I'm not an electrical guy in any stretch of the imagination, but my understanding of true power conditioning was that the outlets were fed off of either the battery or some type of internal capacitor/etc. all the time, with the main feed simply charging that continuously. This way there is always some intermediary device in between your device and the mains.

everything is gone. Let me know if these pop back up.

Quote from phonic : I'm not an electrical guy in any stretch of the imagination, but my understanding of true power conditioning was that the outlets were fed off of either the battery or some type of internal capacitor/etc. all the time, with the main feed simply charging that continuously. This way there is always some intermediary device in between your device and the mains.

You're thinking of a true Online Double Conversion UPS which will probably run thousands of dollars. This model sounds like a Stand-By UPS which just passes through mains AC whenever the power is within acceptable parameters. When the input gets outside those parameters it switches to (stepped wave) battery power.

AVR is also seriously misunderstood by people. It simply adds another level between straight pass through and battery power. If the voltage is somewhat high or low it will boost or trim the voltage by a constant percentage (which varies depending on the design). Frankly I don't think this is as important as some people think. It's really only useful for people who chronically have moderately high/low voltage. Also, most cheaper consumer units today only include one boost mode. Many of them don't have any trim modes. Anyway that's my understanding of AVR. It is possible I'm wrong but I've been working with and researching UPSs for many years.

Also the part about this deal that concerns me is the weight. It's only 26LBS. That's only half the weight of my old APC Smart-UPS 1500. I bet this thing has very small batteries. They seem to be combining smaller and smaller batteries with larger and larger inverters. This leads to very short run times (at high loads) and short battery life spans. I really do not like this trend.

Quote from phonic : I'm not an electrical guy in any stretch of the imagination, but my understanding of true power conditioning was that the outlets were fed off of either the battery or some type of internal capacitor/etc. all the time, with the main feed simply charging that continuously. This way there is always some intermediary device in between your device and the mains.

Then 90% of the UPS market is lying about power conditioning. The only units that do what you are talking about are APC's Smart-UPS Online products. None of their home products do this.

As I said before, we ran into this during the 9 day power outage last year here in the northeast. We tried running a server through an enterprise rack mountable APC UPS and it went kapoof! From what I found out, if the unit goes above or below a certain pre-set voltage threshold it will basically just switch to battery. It will not, however, power anything 100% of the time from battery, only the "online" units do this. However, even those units are not guaranteed to run off a generator. Short of getting some massive natural gas powered generator like google, ebay, etc run I never did come up with a solution.