Canon EOS Digital Rebel T4i 18MP SLR Camera w/ 18-55mm Lens + Camera Bag & UV Filter $599 + Free Shipping

Quote from dmullen : Less than 1% of users who buy these cameras will have fancy 1.4 lenses like yours that mitigate the Canon low light issues. If, like 99% of the people who buy this cameras, one uses the kit 18-55, the low light issue on the t4i is a big problem. Plus, how is the rebel XT comparison relevant to a t4i discussion?

I only brought up my Rebel XT due to the fact that it's almost 10 years old now and still takes good low light photos. How many potato quality low light issues are there with P&S and cell phone cameras are out there? Granted a DSLR will give one more options for better photos, but I guess that's the difference between taking pictures and photography, eh? I can pick up a brush and paints, but I can't make a Bob Ross quality painting.

The D5100 kit lens is still a 3.5 -> 5.6, same with the 7000. Unless the bodies are doing something magical with the processing, I wouldn't expect great low light shots out of them either.

Isn't the 899 deal from adorama better? On Amazon 40mm pancake lens is $150 roughly, the 18-135mm is over $400. The pancake lens is rated highly, and for the ability to video zoom with very low noise the 18-135mm is good.

18-55mm won't get you very close to the object in real life situations, I feel the 135mm helps in this regard. There is value in the versatility of the lens. And, when more sharpness is needed, you can put in the pancake lens (or sell it and get a 50mm f1/.8 for a bit over hundred bucks).

Quote from DSimmon : I only brought up my Rebel XT due to the fact that it's almost 10 years old now and still takes good low light photos. How many potato quality low light issues are there with P&S and cell phone cameras are out there? Granted a DSLR will give one more options for better photos, but I guess that's the difference between taking pictures and photography, eh? I can pick up a brush and paints, but I can't make a Bob Ross quality painting. The D5100 kit lens is still a 3.5 -> 5.6, same with the 7000. Unless the bodies are doing something magical with the processing, I wouldn't expect great low light shots out of them either.

Yes, and I can promise you, since I just used both, the Nikon body/Sony sensor does significantly better in low light, with similar/3.5-5.6 kit lenses as the t4i does. They process/handle low light much better, regardless of lens.

Quote from DSimmon : I only brought up my Rebel XT due to the fact that it's almost 10 years old now and still takes good low light photos. How many potato quality low light issues are there with P&S and cell phone cameras are out there? Granted a DSLR will give one more options for better photos, but I guess that's the difference between taking pictures and photography, eh? I can pick up a brush and paints, but I can't make a Bob Ross quality painting. The D5100 kit lens is still a 3.5 -> 5.6, same with the 7000. Unless the bodies are doing something magical with the processing, I wouldn't expect great low light shots out of them either.

Facts - D5100 with the kit lens > T4i with its kit lens. Both kit lenses are of similar stats. The Sony CMOS sensors just process low light images better.

Obviously if you get a Canon 17-55 f/2.8 it will beat the Nikon kit lens, but that is another $1,000.00 USD.

Canon makes great cameras, but its sensors lags behind Sony/Nikon in image quality / low light at the consumer levels if you test fairly with similar lenses.

Quote from conjoose : Isn't the 899 deal from adorama better? On Amazon 40mm pancake lens is $150 roughly, the 18-135mm is over $400. The pancake lens is rated highly, and for the ability to video zoom with very low noise the 18-135mm is good. 18-55mm won't get you very close to the object in real life situations, I feel the 135mm helps in this regard. There is value in the versatility of the lens. And, when more sharpness is needed, you can put in the pancake lens (or sell it and get a 50mm f1/.8 for a bit over hundred bucks).

do you guys realize that adorama doesn't have the t4i in stock, they will ship the camera by the first week of Jan 2013!!!

but it comes with a NON STM 18-55mm, strange combination for T4i

In for 1 for Christmas gift for the girl. Thanks!

I have been watching these camera deals unfold since Black Friday. I was wondering would this be a good opportunity for a newbie to jump into the DSLR game? I have previously only owned point and shoots but really want to pick up a new hobby. I have always wanted to get into photography but never had the time or money to do so.

Now that I am out of college I have a bit more time and can spare the cash to get into the game. So overall, is this a good "starter kit" for an inexperienced newbie?

Thanks guys.

Thanks OP! Great price. Pulled the trigger.

I was eyeing T4i for a while, though I have T3i. The main selling points for me are 9 auto-focus cros-points, continuous focusing in video, and (somewhat important) higher ISO. All those things (i.e. the lack of those) were really getting me with T3i.

See if I get 5% cashback with Discover.

Interestingly enough if you search for T4i on BH.com you will never find that deal. Price mistake?

Quote from yc525 : You missed the entire point of how the d5100 (2.5 year old tech) is a better performer than the T4i in most situations with a similar 18-55mm kit and costs less. Every crop sensor shooter wants a D7000, it is the daddy of them all. - Objective Nikon fanboy.

How about this...I'm glad you like your Nikon.

Quote from veronchu : do you guys realize that adorama doesn't have the t4i in stock, they will ship the camera by the first week of Jan 2013!!!

Yes they do - with the STM lens. I ordered last night and it shipped today. Saw someone else post the same. The 18-55 might be out of stock.

Quote from veronchu : do you guys realize that adorama doesn't have the t4i in stock, they will ship the camera by the first week of Jan 2013!!!

Yep... do you think an SD'er will spend $900 on a Christmas gift to someone else!
I can wait 1 month if the deal is good.

Quote from JJS1309 : I have been watching these camera deals unfold since Black Friday. I was wondering would this be a good opportunity for a newbie to jump into the DSLR game? I have previously only owned point and shoots but really want to pick up a new hobby. I have always wanted to get into photography but never had the time or money to do so. Now that I am out of college I have a bit more time and can spare the cash to get into the game. So overall, is this a good "starter kit" for an inexperienced newbie? Thanks guys.

T4i, like most entry level DSLRs today, is a great camera. However, for a newbie, I would highly suggest that you go to a camera shop and play around with the menus/controls before deciding on Canon vs Nikon vs Sony (Pentax makes great cameras but their lens offerings are too limited).

You do not want to purchase a either a Canon or Nikon blind and decide later that you want the other one - then you are probably stuck with a lot of useless accessories/lens tied to that particular system.

I got got the t4i from adorama. I've been used to using my sony a200, friends t1i, 50d, and something about the t4i just feels weird. anyone else feel the same?