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Quote from dragontales : Now you are talking about the cost of building a TV? I'm glad you are an expert but in no way were you referring to the manufacturing cost of TV's in your earlier posting. If you are an expert in that industry than I am happy for you. You said you were not talking about LCDs right? You are only talking about LED's eh? I hope you know LED is a type of LCD. I thought you are an expert in the industry. If you can't afford that extra $20-$40 per year of electricity cost then you shouldn't be looking at high end LED(which is a type of LCD again) or plasma TV's to begin with. I'm pretty sure most high end audio video folks have the extra cash.

Wow you guys are seriously calling LED sets LCD. okkayyy, its like calling a plasma and a LCD a TV. How do you distinguish it by calling it by its specific technology duhhh. So why dont we call a BMW the same as a Hyundai because they both are in the automobile category. If you don't want to take my advice on the price difference to buy a high end plasma over a high end LED at about the same price, then by all means do so, but don't confuse other readers by categorizing LED with older LCD technologies. I'm only trying to help people understand how many advantages there is to buying a LED over a plasma, thats it.

Quote from maximumballer : Wow you guys are seriously calling LED sets LCD. okkayyy, its like calling a plasma and a LCD a TV. How do you distinguish it by calling it by its specific technology duhhh. So why dont we call a BMW the same as a Hyundai because they both are in the automobile category. If you don't want to take my advice on the price difference to buy a high end plasma over a high end LED at about the same price, then by all means do so, but don't confuse other readers by categorizing LED with older LCD technologies. I'm only trying to help people understand how many advantages there is to buying a LED over a plasma, thats it.

All that rambling and you had no idea that LED is a type of LCD. Yep you are the expert. We are fools for buying and supporting Plasma. Go you.

Quote from maximumballer : Wow you guys are seriously calling LED sets LCD. okkayyy, its like calling a plasma and a LCD a TV. How do you distinguish it by calling it by its specific technology duhhh. So why dont we call a BMW the same as a Hyundai because they both are in the automobile category. If you don't want to take my advice on the price difference to buy a high end plasma over a high end LED at about the same price, then by all means do so, but don't confuse other readers by categorizing LED with older LCD technologies. I'm only trying to help people understand how many advantages there is to buying a LED over a plasma, thats it.

LCD stands for liquid crystal display. LCD displays can have CCFL OR LED backlights. Theres no such thing as an LED TV without liquid crystal technology.

(Most people who buy LCDs dont know much about TVs so whats new??)

Quote from maximumballer : I think you are missing my point. A high end LED which will in a 10 yr period save you 6 dollars a month to operate on a consumption basis of 8 hrs a day versus a plasma. Everyone knows the technology to make a high end LED is much more costly than a high end plasma. I should know I work for a components distributor that supplies to TV manufacturers. Yes both are TV's but we are talking about a relatively new technology called LED versus a 10yr+ plasma technology. Its just based on actual costs to build. So let me rephrase "based on the technology and cost to build a LED vs a plasma, a high end plasma should not be priced no more than 1500 if you are able to buy a high end 240hz 3dtv from Samsung for 1800." But hey if you guys like buying older technology that costs you more electricity wise and has half the life span of a LED for the same price, then by all means spend away. But if you break it down to performance and cost of use, the LED win hands down every time. If you think it cost just as much to build a plasma vs a LED, then I have some desert land to sell you too I have no idea why you brought up LCD, it is a technology that is older than plasma. I was comparing LED vs Plasma

Who really cares if a technology is old, as long as it is better than the "new" technology. There is not a single thing that I find appealing with regards to LCDs other than brightness and I get that by having a good plasma set. Everything else is a joke.

LED = get around the natural suckage of black levels because LCDs have a crappy technology that doesn't create its own light source.

120/240hz = get around the natural suckage of pixel refresh that has crappy motion. This depends on software to interpolate or make it "smoother" which is really nothing more than a crutch for an inferior technology.

Brighter = excuse for people who view the plasmas at Best Buy only or think that you can only view the TV in the brightest circumstance

thinner = who gives a crap? It's a silly aesthetic thing.

power = there is not that much of a difference in modern plasmas vs LCD tvs. the real-world numbers aren't that much different, especially with ignorant LCD owners operating at torch mode.

Your lifespan number is a joke. Stop pulling numbers out of your ass, troll.

GO maximumballer ! You show them.

Quote from dragontales : All that rambling and you had no idea that LED is a type of LCD. Yep you are the expert. We are fools for buying and supporting Plasma. Go you.

Like I said you can call a BMW and a Hyundai both cars but we both know the BMW has numerous more advancements than a Hyundai. I know a LED is a LCD, but they now have their own niche market where you can't lump them into one LCD category. duhhhh. Why do we call them LED if they are the same as the older LCD technologies. Because they are thinner and use way less electricity. Geez some people argue with no valid logic

Quote from spierce : Who really cares if a technology is old, as long as it is better than the "new" technology. There is not a single thing that I find appealing with regards to LCDs other than brightness and I get that by having a good plasma set. Everything else is a joke. LED = get around the natural suckage of black levels because LCDs have a crappy technology that doesn't create its own light source. 120/240hz = get around the natural suckage of pixel refresh that has crappy motion. This depends on software to interpolate or make it "smoother" which is really nothing more than a crutch for an inferior technology. Brighter = excuse for people who view the plasmas at Best Buy only or think that you can only view the TV in the brightest circumstance thinner = who gives a crap? It's a silly aesthetic thing. power = there is not that much of a difference in modern plasmas vs LCD tvs. the real-world numbers aren't that much different, especially with ignorant LCD owners operating at torch mode. Your lifespan number is a joke. Stop pulling numbers out of your ass, troll.

Who cares about new technologies. Uh I guess the 99% of the population who go out and buy electronics. Your logic makes no sense, but of course you will argue to no end because "no one" cares about new technologies. I can't explain why new technology is good to a homer like yourself. If anyone is reading his comments he is a total moron, LED is the way of the future, the man who invented LED won numerous awards. LED will soon replace almost every type of light emission. His rambling about thinner, power, etc makes no sense. LED are way more dependable and save electricity, please do not let this douche steer you to an older technology as plasma. In fact, plasma technology will soon phase out soon. I am not here to promote LED but I know a much better and efficient technology because I do work with the components. I promise you the demand for plasma components are dwindling and I expect plasma technology to disappear. How can you compete with a thinner and energy conserving technology as LED. All LED have to do is figure out how to increase the hz rate. Its basically the same when bluray came out and all these protesters would not let go of HD-DVD technology. LED is the game changer and all these manufacturers are just trying to get rid of their plasmas. You will see a huge disparity in LED supply versus plasma next year because these manufacturers are not increasing their plasma production but in fact decreasing it. But like I say to these people who think plasma is a good choice, it is only a good choice if you are getting it at a bargain, but getting a high end LED vs a high end plasma should not be the same price. LED cost more and will last you longer. This poster has no clue that LED have double even maybe triple the life of a plasma. Even any frys or best buy associate can tell you that. If you listen to a guy who starts his whole argument with "who cares about new technology" then you deserve what you get

maximumballer just won the stupidest post of the year with that "LED isn't LCD, BMW/Hyundai" analogy.

Perfect timing too.

Quote from dragontales : All that rambling and you had no idea that LED is a type of LCD. Yep you are the expert. We are fools for buying and supporting Plasma. Go you.

Why would you mislead these readers into thinking a LCD and a LED are the same? One uses a totally different technology. The LED (Light emitting diode) is a way more advanced technology than the older LCD technology. If you cant figure this out you do not deserve to be posting. We are talking about two different technology. Like I said if it was the same why would advertisers name one tv LCD and one LED? Man its like I am talking to kids on this forum, its really weird how some posters argue about LCD and LED being the same. The LCD name will cease to exist soon because of LED name. No manufacturers are building with the older LCD technology

Quote from BudlongTaco : maximumballer just won the stupidest post of the year with that "LED isn't LCD, BMW/Hyundai" analogy. Perfect timing too.

No one isn't saying they are not in the family of LCD but LED is a newer technology correct? You cannot lump older LCD tvs with new LED tvs. The price and quality is different, any yahoo knows this. I am just trying to differentiate between the two. Like I said both Hyundais and BMW are automobiles, but they are priced differently right? why???

Quote from maximumballer : No one isn't saying they are not in the family of LCD but LED is a newer technology correct? You cannot lump older LCD tvs with new LED tvs. The price and quality is different, any yahoo knows this. I am just trying to differentiate between the two. Like I said both Hyundais and BMW are automobiles, but they are priced differently right? why???

you're comparing apples and oranges. You'd have to compare 2 hyundais or 2 bmws to make your analogy work.

And LED is an LCD. Plain and simple.

Quote from maximumballer : Why would you mislead these readers into thinking a LCD and a LED are the same? One uses a totally different technology. The LED (Light emitting diode) is a way more advanced technology than the older LCD technology. If you cant figure this out you do not deserve to be posting. We are talking about two different technology. Like I said if it was the same why would advertisers name one tv LCD and one LED? Man its like I am talking to kids on this forum, its really weird how some posters argue about LCD and LED being the same. The LCD name will cease to exist soon because of LED name. No manufacturers are building with the older LCD technology

Why would an advertiser say that 1080p is better on a 27" TV when the human eye can't even tell the difference?

*BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STUPID*

Why would advertisers try to shill LCD TVs backlit by LEDs as "LED TVs"

*BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STUPID*

Look at yourself. You think that a TV is superior because the technology that *LIGHTS* the TV is somehow "newer" which makes the TV superior.

To go back to your BMW analogy, a brand new 2012 BMW 7 series that still uses incandescent lights is inferior to a 1980 Toyota Corolla because somebody installed LED headlights. Well, it uses a "new" technology to light the road, thus is must be a better vehicle!

Nevermind that vehicle has 300,000 miles and requires bondo and duct tape to keep it together and accelerates from 0-60 in an hour and has manual steering, no ABS, no airbags...etc.

This is what you are saying, that because an *INFERIOR* technology has a newer headlight that the *INFERIOR* technology is better.

LCD is a poor technology which needed something "newer" to make it better because CFLs couldn't be made to local dim the set (or make it thinner and other things) because LCDs NEED local dimming because otherwise its black levels blow. That's because it can't produce its own light.

Do you even know how an LCD works?

And you are telling me that I am a fool for saying a "new" technology is better! LOL. History is littered with "new" technologies that ultimately didn't pan out. Look at Iridium, it was a "new" technology but it couldn't compete. Look at the "renesis" "wankle" engine, it was "new" but it couldn't compete against a traditional ICE. What about some of the products Apple put out (Lisa, Newton, Job's NEXT), Microsoft BOB. We could go on for years on "new" technologies that failed to replace old ones because the old ones WERE BETTER, for whatever reasons.

What's sad is that uneducated people like you throw around more uneducated crap and dissuade people from buying a superior technology. This FUD is utterly misleading and ultimately harmful to society.

Just stop with your idiotic car analogy. It does not even make sense! Ask bestbuy and frys about plasma vs led (LCD)? That is funny because the consensus here is that most of those sale associates lack any technical knowledge. They would not be the people I seek for advice. Keep posting, troll. You sound smarter with each post.

Quote from maximumballer : No one isn't saying they are not in the family of LCD but LED is a newer technology correct? You cannot lump older LCD tvs with new LED tvs. The price and quality is different, any yahoo knows this. I am just trying to differentiate between the two. Like I said both Hyundais and BMW are automobiles, but they are priced differently right? why???

Quoting maximumballer from a few posts above. Perhaps it's two different people posting from the same account. Or perhaps you have split personality, since you did quote and argue with yourself several posts earlier, but then you quickly ninja edited

Quote : Wow you guys are seriously calling LED sets LCD. okkayyy, its like calling a plasma and a LCD a TV