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A burly high end receiver with Trinnov room correction. Good info here - http://www.hometheatershack.com/f...z2GvqCPjNV

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interesting...I have one of the Pioneer VSX47tx hat I bough on Ebay about 3 years ago for $150.00
I missed this deal...but I seriously doubt this Sherwood..will come close to the sound ( and ofcourse build quality) of the old Pioneer

I have a few newer 3D capable HDMI receivers....but the reviews on this Sherwood have been mixed at best

like it was a product that really wasnt ready for market...but hey for $299(shipped)..oh well

The 2012 reviews (after the firmware upgrades) for the R-972 are great and people were jumping on them at $599 earlier this year from A4L.
The lower / average reviews seem to be mostly from 2010 before the fixes.
The Sherwood is supposed to weigh about 2 lbs more than the 47TX so the build quality may be comparable, but hard to know for sure.

$150 is a steal for the 47TX. I am hoping to get double that (audiophiles who just need a 2 channel system will be getting a bargain).
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The 2012 reviews (after the firmware upgrades) for the R-972 are great and people were jumping on them at $599 earlier this year from A4L.
The lower / average reviews seem to be mostly from 2010 before the fixes.
The Sherwood is supposed to weigh about 2 lbs more than the 47TX so the build quality may be comparable, but hard to know for sure.

$150 is a steal for the 47TX. I am hoping to get double that (audiophiles who just need a 2 channel system will be getting a bargain).
at $599 its probably a very good price...as that is about 1/3 of what competing units from other manufacturers are selling for...Onkyo 3009...Pioneer SC65..etc

At $299 its cheap enough to be a back up( bedroom etc) unit

I assume the $299 units was only HDMI 1.3 vs the ones on A4L that are 1.4 capable?

Sound and Vision says the unit only weighs 41lbs?...so that is far from the weight of the VSX47tx

Good luck on the sale of your Pioneer....as I said bought mine about 3 years ago for $150
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at $599 its probably a very good price...as that is about 1/3 of what competing units from other manufacturers are selling for...Onkyo 3009...Pioneer SC65..etc

At $299 its cheap enough to be a back up( bedroom etc) unit

I assume the $299 units was only HDMI 1.3 vs the ones on A4L that are 1.4 capable?

Sound and Vision says the unit only weighs 41lbs?...so that is far from the weight of the VSX47tx

Good luck on the sale of your Pioneer....as I said bought mine about 3 years ago for $150
The official weight on Sherwood's site is 29 kilos which is about 63.8 lbs.. Sound and Vision probably has typo.
The firmware, a while back, added HDMI 1.4, so I am sure the 1saleaday units are shipping with the updated firmware.

Thanks. If I can only get $150, I will likely just keep my Elite. They don't make them like that anymore, but I do need DD Plus decoding if I am going to use it for surround with Netflix, so I will see.
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interesting...I have one of the Pioneer VSX47tx hat I bough on Ebay about 3 years ago for $150.00
I missed this deal...but I seriously doubt this Sherwood..will come close to the sound ( and ofcourse build quality) of the old Pioneer

I have a few newer 3D capable HDMI receivers....but the reviews on this Sherwood have been mixed at best

like it was a product that really wasnt ready for market...but hey for $299(shipped)..oh well
Sherwood confirmed that they will be doing another round on 1saleaday in the near future. Keep an eye out for it.

The major draw to this receiver is the Trinnov Room EQ/3D remapping. It cannot be found on anything else under $10,000. The effect it has is absolutely stunning, even more than Audyssey XT32, which is no slouch. With the latest firmware upgrade, I can watch my 3D blu-rays with this too, so it could be in my main system.

The Denon 4311 is the best receiver I've ever owned, but for $299 a receiver with Trinnov is a steal. Without Trinnov, the receiver would be ok at best.
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Sherwood confirmed that they will be doing another round on 1saleaday in the near future. Keep an eye out for it.

The major draw to this receiver is the Trinnov Room EQ/3D remapping. It cannot be found on anything else under $10,000. The effect it has is absolutely stunning, even more than Audyssey XT32, which is no slouch. With the latest firmware upgrade, I can watch my 3D blu-rays with this too, so it could be in my main system.

The Denon 4311 is the best receiver I've ever owned, but for $299 a receiver with Trinnov is a steal. Without Trinnov, the receiver would be ok at best.
Ok...for $299 sounds like a deal

has anyone confirmed the units they received for $299 are HDMI 1.4 capable?
This unit does not have internet connectivity right?...so I am not sure it could be done at home..unless they sent you a flash drive with the newer firmware loaded

I am not sure that I think that the sound equalization technology a unit has can completely transform it

for a couple of reasons
1. I dont listen to anything but discrete channels and dont matrix any sound
2. I have a a couple of XT32 equipped models( Onkyo) and they are still not nearly as musical sounding as my old Pioneer VSX47tx for 2 channel audio
the Pioneer..by any standard has what is not an antiquated calibration system

of note as well..I have a Pioneer sc37 with a much newer version of Pioneer's MCACC system

still not as musical as my much older Pioneer VSX47TX
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Ok...for $299 sounds like a deal

has anyone confirmed the units they received for $299 are HDMI 1.4 capable?
This unit does not have internet connectivity right?...so I am not sure it could be done at home..unless they sent you a flash drive with the newer firmware loaded

I am not sure that I think that the sound equalization technology a unit has can completely transform it

for a couple of reasons
1. I dont listen to anything but discrete channels and dont matrix any sound
2. I have a a couple of XT32 equipped models( Onkyo) and they are still not nearly as musical sounding as my old Pioneer VSX47tx for 2 channel audio
the Pioneer..by any standard has what is not an antiquated calibration system

of note as well..I have a Pioneer sc37 with a much newer version of Pioneer's MCACC system

still not as musical as my much older Pioneer VSX47TX
There are a few confirming 1.4 on AVSforum. You can upgrade firmware via usb stick.

1. You can always use this as a pre-pro, and run a 2 channel amp if desired in 2 channel.
2. The old Pioneers are beasts. MCACC leaves a lot to be desired in the low end though. If you are strictly going to use 2 channel audio for music, the Sherwood might not be best. It shines in 5.1/7.1 surround tracks.
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There are a few confirming 1.4 on AVSforum. You can upgrade firmware via usb stick.

1. You can always use this as a pre-pro, and run a 2 channel amp if desired in 2 channel.
2. The old Pioneers are beasts. MCACC leaves a lot to be desired in the low end though. If you are strictly going to use 2 channel audio for music, the Sherwood might not be best. It shines in 5.1/7.1 surround tracks.
for $299 and if it 1.4 capable that is a SD

amazing no internet connectivity...thats been a standard for the last 3 years among anything midrange and above

and yes I only listen to music in 2 channel...I am not into matrixed music

How is the amp section on this Sherwood?

I thought I saw something a while back that lead me to believe it really wasnt a powerhouse..coming in at less than 80 wpc( all channels driven)

when there are several units...my Pioneer SC37 and many older Onkyo..my 875 that do well in excess of 110-120wpc( all channels driven)
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for $299 and if it 1.4 capable that is a SD

amazing no internet connectivity...thats been a standard for the last 3 years among anything midrange and above

and yes I only listen to music in 2 channel...I am not into matrixed music

How is the amp section on this Sherwood?

I thought I saw something a while back that lead me to believe it really wasnt a powerhouse..coming in at less than 80 wpc( all channels driven)

when there are several units...my Pioneer SC37 and many older Onkyo..my 875 that do well in excess of 110-120wpc( all channels driven)
Its a receiver from 2010 which was originally only HDMI 1.3 capable. I don't find networking 100% necessary in an AVR. I have a WDTV live box that handles everything better except online firmware upgrades for the AVR. I don't even use airplay in my Denon much.

Amp section is 100wpc. It drops to about 68wpc RMS in 7.1. If you like 100+db movies, you might need a separate amp. The beauty of this price though, is that you could get a 2 or 5 channel amp like the Emotiva XPA-5 at 200w RMS, and have Trinnov for ~$1,000. That alone puts most receivers to shame. I don't listen at 100+db, so the receiver alone should be fine for me.

We'll see though. I used to have Onkyo, and a Pioneer (1121), but found them lacking. It would take a lot to want to replace my Denon 4311.
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Its a receiver from 2010 which was originally only HDMI 1.3 capable. I don't find networking 100% necessary in an AVR. I have a WDTV live box that handles everything better except online firmware upgrades for the AVR. I don't even use airplay in my Denon much.

Amp section is 100wpc. It drops to about 68wpc RMS in 7.1. If you like 100+db movies, you might need a separate amp. The beauty of this price though, is that you could get a 2 or 5 channel amp like the Emotiva XPA-5 at 200w RMS, and have Trinnov for ~$1,000. That alone puts most receivers to shame. I don't listen at 100+db, so the receiver alone should be fine for me.

We'll see though. I used to have Onkyo, and a Pioneer (1121), but found them lacking. It would take a lot to want to replace my Denon 4311.
somewhat agree...I have found online updates to be very helpful
I have an old Onkyo 875 that has to go to a service center for some updates..a royal PITA
Though the Onkyo does bench at almost its 140 wpc with all channels driven...the Pioneer SC37 comes close to this as well. My Yamaha A3000 tests out at only like 62wpc...one of the reasons its currently for sale
I am certain my older Pioneer VSX47tx would spank all of them..though I dont have any recent bench tests on it to confirm

If I bought this receiver I would have no desire to attach a separate amp.....I have a dedicated HT with a sherbourn amp(5/1500A) and an Onkyo preamp(5508) for that....an additional receiver would be a for a secondary listening area

I tend to listen to movies pretty loud and that somewhat meant I needed a separate amp

I just placed a Pioneer Sc37 where a Yamaha A3000 was due to a firesale price $449 I got at a Magnolia Home theater demo closeout

But who knows..I will keep my eyes open for the 1 sale a day deal
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interesting...I have one of the Pioneer VSX47tx hat I bough on Ebay about 3 years ago for $150.00
I missed this deal...but I seriously doubt this Sherwood..will come close to the sound ( and ofcourse build quality) of the old Pioneer

I have a few newer 3D capable HDMI receivers....but the reviews on this Sherwood have been mixed at best

like it was a product that really wasnt ready for market...but hey for $299(shipped)..oh well
One word... Trinnov.
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One word... Trinnov.
I think the low price has a lot to do with it as well

One would think based on what I have read on AVS forum that perhaps the product wasnt quite ready for prime time....the $299 from 1 sale a day suggests this as well

That is a liquidation price..pure and simple

For $299..as I said before I might bite...for more than that it really doesnt interest me

I dont listen to matrixed sound...nor do I watch SD sources more than 1% of the time

I have a few Audessey XT32 and Reon equipped devices

The Audessey does nothing for 2 channel audio and I run my video in "through" mode
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I think the low price has a lot to do with it as well

One would think based on what I have read on AVS forum that perhaps the product wasnt quite ready for prime time....the $299 from 1 sale a day suggests this as well

That is a liquidation price..pure and simple

For $299..as I said before I might bite...for more than that it really doesnt interest me

I dont listen to matrixed sound...nor do I watch SD sources more than 1% of the time

I have a few Audessey XT32 and Reon equipped devices

The Audessey does nothing for 2 channel audio and I run my video in "through" mode
Then simply buy a high end preamp, you don't need a surround sound processor with Trinnov or Audyssey, unless you're looking for video switching capability.

Most of the issues have been worked out with this processor from the early reviews. As I noted earlier, this is not the most user friendly surround sound processor. It is, however, one of the best sounding when using Trinnov and 3D mapping, the only reason to buy this.
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Then simply buy a high end preamp, you don't need a surround sound processor with Trinnov or Audyssey, unless you're looking for video switching capability.

Most of the issues have been worked out with this processor from the early reviews. As I noted earlier, this is not the most user friendly surround sound processor. It is, however, one of the best sounding when using Trinnov and 3D mapping, the only reason to buy this.
that is exactly what I have in my HT...as I stated earlier
I have run a separate pre/pro and amp combination for many years

I have an Onkyo 5508 preamp and a Sherbourn 5/1500A(200x5) multichannel amp
The previous Onkyo 885 preamp had Audessey Multi EQ XT and I can tell a difference in the two in regard to the difference in Audessey...Multi EQ vs XT32 listening to discreet lossless audio encoded in 5.1( or higher)

Though to be fair I have no idea if Onkyo made other changes in the two preamps..other than Audessey...in the two different generations that I have owned

On another note...neither of the Onkyo's is as much of a musical piece as the Chiro C-800/802 preamps that preceded them

A receiver for me is for a secondary room..master bedroom etc

The video upscaling as well is not a factor to me as I like to run video untouched if at all possible/ I typically run my video sources direct to the TV for purity of the signal and bought blu ray playesr with 2 HDMI outputs to run it in this manner...and still be able to take advantage of lossless audio

I would not be as concerned about the user friendly issues with this...as I have connected a lot of complicated systems in my day

I am actually more concerned about the comments about the HDMI handshake issues...where slight subtleties in cables make a difference
Where I place a receiver is not a convenient area to have to trouble shoot cables easily as what to what works and what doesnt

Been there done that with DIRECT TV and other sources in the early days of HDMI and would rather not go there again as is a royal PITA when the unit is in a tight space

but again...for $299...it seems well worth that
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The 2012 reviews (after the firmware upgrades) for the R-972 are great and people were jumping on them at $599 earlier this year from A4L.
The lower / average reviews seem to be mostly from 2010 before the fixes.
The Sherwood is supposed to weigh about 2 lbs more than the 47TX so the build quality may be comparable, but hard to know for sure.

$150 is a steal for the 47TX. I am hoping to get double that (audiophiles who just need a 2 channel system will be getting a bargain).
FYI


a couple of VSX49TX receivers..the model above the VXS47TX...on ebay now for for less than $300( plus shipping)
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man, I wish they would have gotten ahold of som of the dedicated power amps at these crazy prices! that would have been awesome...
any one get a shipping notice yet ?
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