BIC America F-12 subwoofer - 186.60 + FSSS!

Quote from bruteshot : 186 is is slightly more than $11 less than usual and only about 6% discount... not that great. This sub does get great reviews and I almost bought one. Built one instead for the same price.

Brute, did you use kit directions from any place in particular? I'd be interested in doing that.

Quote from kingaroonie : Brute, did you use kit directions from any place in particular? I'd be interested in doing that.

I used hometheatershack.com as a source for information and designed it myself. It's a great community and resource.

Wouldn't the BIC V1220 with a 7-year warranty for $137 be a better deal than this F-12?

http://www.provantage.com/bic-ame...ICA002.htm

Quote from audiokingman : wouldn't the bic v1220 with a 7-year warranty for $137 be a better deal than this f-12? http://www.provantage.com/bic-ame...ica002.htm

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Quote from audiokingman : Wouldn't the BIC V1220 with a 7-year warranty for $137 be a better deal than this F-12? http://www.provantage.com/bic-ame...ICA002.htm

Appears sold out for me, but I am considering the down-ported V1220 due to a crazy dog.

Quote from bash2003 : Appears sold out for me, but I am considering the down-ported V1220 due to a crazy dog.

Get the V1220, you won't be disappointed. I have it and the F12's brother, the RTR-EV1200. If I had to choose just one of the two, I would choose the V1220. IMO, down firing wins over front firing. Seems to radiate a wider, even range of bass throughout the room.

Quote from naturoses : How about this Vs Klipsch Reference RW-12d? Separately, can anybody be kind enough to tell me the difference between Klipsch Reference RW-12d Vs Klipsch SW311 Thanks

I've owned both the BIC F12 and the klipsch RW-12D for about a year. I can honestly say that both are GREAT subs (personal opinion). They both add a lot to your home theater and I bet you would be happy with either. However, I have recently sold my BIC and purchased a 2nd RW-12D. I can go much deeper into how and why I came to this conclusion, but I did a lot of reading on the internet, and did a lot of sound tests with some friends and we decided the klipsch was the better performer (at additional cost of course). If you have the money, I'd recommend spending the extra, but if not, you will be very pleased with the F12.

The Klipsch was a failed $1,000 sub, but at 300 bucks it is a great deal!

There is a ton of great information out there:

Frequency Response of RW-12D
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1390563...nse-graphs

BIC F12 and V1220 and RW-12D comparisons frequency curve comparison:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1391243...nse-graphs

RW-12D vs Jamo 650
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1426307...woofer-g2g[/QUOTE]

Quote from sometimes_steve : This is about on par with the Polk PSW-505 which on sale for about the same price: http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-...B000092TT0

Yes, in the same way a Jaguar is the same as a Kia.

Quote from MIX MASTER ICE : Get the V1220, you won't be disappointed. I have it and the F12's brother, the RTR-EV1200. If I had to choose just one of the two, I would choose the V1220. IMO, down firing wins over front firing. Seems to radiate a wider, even range of bass throughout the room.

i agree, love my V1220. maybe I'll get another.

I bought mine 10 months ago and I'm very happy with it.

Quote from flipandroid : I bought mine 10 months ago and I'm very happy with it.

Thanks for the feedback on the 1220.

Amazon has the V-1220 for $178.72 [amazon.com] plus FS. The quantity is pretty low right now (only four left). There's not much price history on SlickDeals for this item. Would you guys jump again at this price?

Quote from FD58 : I've owned both the BIC F12 and the klipsch RW-12D for about a year. I can honestly say that both are GREAT subs (personal opinion). They both add a lot to your home theater and I bet you would be happy with either. However, I have recently sold my BIC and purchased a 2nd RW-12D. I can go much deeper into how and why I came to this conclusion, but I did a lot of reading on the internet, and did a lot of sound tests with some friends and we decided the klipsch was the better performer (at additional cost of course). If you have the money, I'd recommend spending the extra, but if not, you will be very pleased with the F12. The Klipsch was a failed $1,000 sub, but at 300 bucks it is a great deal! There is a ton of great information out there: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1390563...nse-graphs http://www.avsforum.com/t/1391243...nse-graphs http://www.avsforum.com/t/1426307...woofer-g2g

Klipsch subs tend to die early. I would never consider buying a Klipsch sub for this reason. $178 for the V1220 is the normal price @amazon.com. Not very often to they lower it much from that range, so waiting for a lower price might be futile.

Quote from bash2003 : Thanks for the feedback on the 1220. Amazon has the V-1220 for $178.72 [amazon.com] plus FS. The quantity is pretty low right now (only four left). There's not much price history on SlickDeals for this item. Would you guys jump again at this price?

The V1220 was on sale early last year from Walmart, for a crazy low price of $100. Sold out right away. It was essentially a one day sale, and I don't think Walmart regularly carries it. Since then, I think $179 has been the typical price from most vendors for the V1220. So probably, you can get it most anytime for that price.

The F12 up until last spring, was regularly going for around $185. Then for some reason, it went up to $200 or higher at most vendors. For example, the F12 had until now, been pegged at $199 at Amazon since last spring. So, this current $186 price at Amazon, while no great shakes, is the lowest it has been in many months.

As for V1220 vs. F12 that some other commenters mentioned, back when I did some AVS Forum research on these two subs, my impression was more people seemed to like the F12. On the other hand, more people seemed to own the F12, so maybe that is why it got more praise. I bet either sub would put out some nice bass for movie watching in terms of the price, if placed in the right room location. I have read articles and discussion regarding front vs. down fire design - couldn't find a consensus on which design was best. But I do have a small front firing sub in the corner of my living room, firing directly out at viewers, and providing a surprising level of bass considering the size and power. For that reason, I decided to stick with the front fire design and go with the F12. But I will have to make sure my kids don't put a foot through it, lol.

One thing to note on the F12 and the V1220 is peak and RMS watts. People see the F12 is 475w peak and the V1220 is 430w peak. You need to look at the RMS watts, which is 200w for the V1220 and only 150w for the F12. If you push the F12 pretty hard the amp will get VERY warm, which isn't really a good thing. My V1220 never gets as hot when pushed hard.

I bought the F12 two years ago and have been very satisfied with it. I bought it back then for around this price. I don't remember seeing the price change that much since then though I haven't been consistently monitoring it. I use it mostly for movies and gaming.