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Quote from darkfrog : but it happens enough that you think we need widespread additional gun control measures.

Obviously the current measures to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill are inadequate.

Quote : Sorry, you can't have it both ways, either the risk of being in danger of assault with a gun is super low making people that want to protect themselves a paranoid OR the risk is high enough to warrant enacting legislation that may not only be expensive and potentially trample constitutional rights, but is clearly necessary when compared to other hazards people might face.

Not owning a gun, I don't give a rat's ass about your right to play with your toys. I care about the additional risk to which it exposes me when irresponsible gun owners allow their toys to fall into the wrong hands.

Quote : No, I think the government should provide multiple lightning rod shelters all around the country so that if I'm in an area where lightning is threatening, I can have the government protect me because if we can save only one life.... amirite?

Disingenuous responses seldom are....

Quote from charles052 : I don't believe you own one.

No, i do not, but have been thinking about it for quite some time. Unfortunately, things are a little to nuts right now to bother--i don't want to pay a premium. That said, i have shot some very cool guns--my favorite being an HK-91 (that was when i was younger).

Quote from 124nic8 : Obviously the current measures to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill are inadequate.

If you want to propose some measures that will actually be effective, I'm all ears. However, most of the new laws that people seem to want won't work iMO. If you want to live in a free society, criminals will always find a way to access weapons. If you prefer to live under martial law, I bet we can curtail them even more but I think you will find a lot of opposition to that.

Quote : Not owning a gun, I don't give a rat's ass about your right to play with your toys. I care about the additional risk to which it exposes me when irresponsible gun owners allow their toys to fall into the wrong hands.

I was the one that advised gun-rights people in these threads to stop using the term hoplophobe as non-productive attacks against people that want gun control because there is legitimate concern by everyone to keep guns out of the hands of bad people.
It would be much more productive if you stopped using pejoratives like 'playing with toys' when discussing these weapons and their owners.

On one hand you act like the risk you are exposed to is quite small when you call people that try to prepare for such a situation as paranoid. On the other hand, you seem to think the risk is quite significant as to warrant passing of even more and more legislation, and don't likewise ask for legislation on other things that will harm or kill people, even at a higher rate than guns.

Quote : Disingenuous responses seldom are....

you are the expert when it comes to making disingenuous, fallacious responses, so I guess you would know.

in this thread gun advocates are celebrating a man's death.

Quote from thikthird : in this thread gun advocates are celebrating a man's death.

And you celebrated the Newtown shootings because you believed it would help promote your anti-gun agenda.


See, we both can dishonestly portray the opposition's position, but neither is helpful in creating a productive, rational debate and actual reasonable solutions.

Quote from darkfrog : And you celebrated the Newtown shootings because you believed it will help with your anti-gun agenda. See, we both can dishonestly portray the opposition's position, but neither is helpful in creating a productive, rational debate and actual reasonable solutions.

how am i being dishonest though? you're using this as validation, essentially "see guns can kill bad guys". you want to keep guns legal because they can kill. i want them taken away because they can kill. don't attack my position because i expose your rationale for what it is, and don't try and cover your tracks when the pro-gun side of the debate has so reasonable solutions.

Quote from thikthird : how am i being dishonest though? you're using this as validation, essentially "see guns can kill bad guys". you want to keep guns legal because they can kill. i want them taken away because they can kill. don't attack my position because i expose your rationale for what it is, and don't try and cover your tracks when the pro-gun side of the debate has so reasonable solutions.

So then my characterization of your position isn't dishonest, right?

Yes, it is validation for a position. That's an honest portrayal. Using an event such as this as validation that guns can protect people by stopping bad guys is not "celebrating a man's death" and I think you know this. If you really don't then by all means leave this forum and let the adults continue to have our debate.

Quote from thikthird : in this thread gun advocates are celebrating a man's death.

If the person who died while in the process of committing a criminal act while armed with a weapon, including causing another person to be in fear for his life because of that criminal act had been somewhere else and not committing crime, he would be alive today. He made his choice, and he reaped the consequences.

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime....

Quote from darkfrog : So then my characterization of your position isn't dishonest, right? Yes, it is validation for a position. That's an honest portrayal. Using an event such as this as validation that guns can protect people by stopping bad guys is not "celebrating a man's death" and I think you know this. If you really don't then by all means leave this forum and let the adults continue to have our debate.

"protect" huh? a man was shot to death. funny how the killer is being labeled a victim.

Quote from thikthird : "protect" huh? a man was shot to death. funny how the killer is being labeled a victim.

He was a "victim" when this happened:

Quote : Two men were sitting in the carport of a residence in the 4200 block of 24th Street West about 10:20 p.m. when three suspects, dressed in black and wearing masks, approached on foot. James Brady, 26, allegedly pointed a handgun at one of the victims, ordering him to the ground, according to the sheriff's office.

Then, he responded within his rights (for the moment) to protect his life (and his friend's) by wielding his own firearm.

The crime was perpetrated on him by James Brady. His death was a result of the choices he made. Crazy huh?! Someone having to actually accept the consequences of his/her actions?! This is real life. The sooner people stop blaming someone else for their actions and results than ensue; the better off we will all be.

I can't believe how many times I've typed that exact sentiment on SD.

Quote from thikthird : in this thread gun advocates are celebrating a man's death.

You have obviously never has a gun put in your face.

I have, and I really wouldn't shed a tear for the scum who equated my life for a Chevy Impala. Fortunately, neither of us was shot that day.

He may not have been as lucky the next time he tried that though, wouldnt hurt my feelings though.

Quote from Favrerox : He was a "victim" when this happened: Then, he responded within his rights (for the moment) to protect his life (and his friend's) by wielding his own firearm. The crime was perpetrated on him by James Brady. His death was a result of the choices he made. Crazy huh?! Someone having to actually accept the consequences of his/her actions?! This is real life. The sooner people stop blaming someone else for their actions and results than ensue; the better off we will all be. I can't believe how many times I've typed that exact sentiment on SD.

it's interesting to note you think it's a right to kill people.

Quote from MISHNAH : You have obviously never has a gun put in your face. I have, and I really wouldn't shed a tear for the scum who equated my life for a Chevy Impala. Fortunately, neither of us was shot that day. He may not have been as lucky the next time he tried that though, wouldnt hurt my feelings though.

i've actually been shot, twice (strays to my leg), and have been threatened, with a gun inches from my face. that's irrelevant, and has no bearing on the conversation, so i don't know why you brought it up.


so you'd kill someone over a chevy impala? and not feel any remorse over that?

Quote from thikthird : it's interesting to note you think it's a right to kill people.

Stop with the "summation" of my responses. You never get it right because you can't see through your own filters.

You may be a pacifist, but you benefit from others that are not. I do not see you parading around with your bull-horn protesting whenever law-enforcement uses force (possibly including firearms) to protect you. (Directly or indirectly)

Would it be great if the world we lived in was free of violent conflict? Sure. Guess what though, it isn't.