Gun Incident Mega Thread - Post All Gun Incidents Here

Quote from thikthird : i'm not a pacifist. i've explicitly said that before. i just don't think killing in self defense is justified. if i am being held at gunpoint, while holding a gun to my assailers head, and one of us pulls the trigger, then one of us dies. i fail to see the difference if it is me or him.

I thought you posted at one time that you would never take another human life, no matter the circumstances.

Quote from thikthird : and i do protest the idea of cops using lethal force to protect me (directly or indirectly).

Firearms are not always used by law enforcement for LETHAL ends.

Quote from thikthird : it would be. in the meantime though, lets work to lessen the amount of violent conflict, and work to ensure the conflict that remains is less often fatal.

Quote : LUKE 12:30-31 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.

Yeah this worldview is rarely accepted by anyone.

Quote from thikthird : it's interesting to note you think it's a right to kill people.

Whether you disagree, it is a right to use lethal force against someone in certain situations. It isn't about killing someone but stopping the threat and if that happens to result in the assailant dying, then that's called justifiable homicide. You might not like that but it is the law of the land. Saying that anyone is giddy or celebrating when someone justifiably kills another human is very offensive. I also think the mods would agree that it is trolling. So please stop making these ridiculous accusations.

Quote from Favrerox : I thought you posted at one time that you would never take another human life, no matter the circumstances. Firearms are not always used by law enforcement for LETHAL ends. Yeah this worldview is rarely accepted by anyone.

no. in fact, i've advocated for the taking of certain lives in certain circumstances. i didn't say they were being used solely lethally. i protest them being used lethally.

Quote from santiagoanders : You can't see the difference between yourself and your attacker? What kind of drugs are you taking?

if i shoot and kill someone, then i am the attacker. i am the killer. i wish i could detach myself from that reality, and be numb to the fact i just ended a life, but i can't.

Quote from darkfrog : Whether you disagree, it is a right to use lethal force against someone in certain situations. It isn't about killing someone but stopping the threat and if that happens to result in the assailant dying, then that's called justifiable homicide. You might not like that but it is the law of the land. Saying that anyone is giddy or celebrating when someone justifiably kills another human is very offensive. I also think the mods would agree that it is trolling. So please stop making these ridiculous accusations.

what's a right though? just because arbitrary laws define something one way or another doesn't change the fact someone wound up dead. i don't consider self defense justification to end a life, and those who celebrate a life ended in a way i don't see as justifiable is offensive to me. in fact, i'd say the very purpose of this thread was to offend those who are advocating for less gun violence.

Quote from thikthird : i've actually been shot, twice (strays to my leg), and have been threatened, with a gun inches from my face. that's irrelevant, and has no bearing on the conversation, so i don't know why you brought it up. so you'd kill someone over a chevy impala? and not feel any remorse over that?

Noooo, if somebody was attempting to harm and/or kill me for a Chevy Impala, and in the process of defending myself he lost his life, I would be sad indeed, but he should have realized there are CONSEQUENCES to his actions.

So the people that shot randomly and hurt you, you would buy them a beer and hang out with them??

Quote from MISHNAH : Noooo, if somebody was attempting to harm and/or kill me for a Chevy Impala, and in the process of defending myself he lost his life, I would be sad indeed, but he should have realized there are CONSEQUENCES to his actions. So the people that shot randomly and hurt you, you would buy them a beer and hang out with them??

of course there are consequences to actions. look up the laws in your state for the consequences that could potentially befall someone who steals a chevy impala at gun point.

surely there is some middle ground between going out for beers and me shooting someone dead?

Quote from thikthird : surely there is some middle ground between going out for beers and me shooting someone dead?

And what is the middle ground if you ARE shot dead??

Quote from MISHNAH : And what is the middle ground if you ARE shot dead??

if i am shot dead then i won't be foing out for beers with him then either.

Quote from thikthird : i'm not a pacifist. i've explicitly said that before. i just don't think killing in self defense is justified. if i am being held at gunpoint, while holding a gun to my assailers head, and one of us pulls the trigger, then one of us dies. i fail to see the difference if it is me or him. and i do protest the idea of cops using lethal force to protect me (directly or indirectly). it would be. in the meantime though, lets work to lessen the amount of violent conflict, and work to ensure the conflict that remains is less often fatal.

I'd pull the trigger in half a heartbeat. My family loves me dearly, and I owe it to them to the keep us safe.

Quote from thikthird : if i am shot dead then i won't be foing out for beers with him then either.

And you would be perfectly fine and in agreement to lose your life for a $12k car or just standing on the street minding your own business?

Quote from thikthird : what's a right though?

rights are the fundamental normative rules about what is allowed of people or owed to people, according to some legal system, social convention, or ethical theory

Quote : just because arbitrary laws define something one way or another doesn't change the fact someone wound up dead.

The right to defend oneself against a violent aggressor is hardly an arbitrary law. Yes, someone ended up dead. That's the risk one takes when one decides to violate social customs by attacking or using unlawful force against another individual.

Quote : i don't consider self defense justification to end a life,

As I said, you disagree with the majority of most people throughout history. To be clear however, the justification is to defend oneself, not to end the other person's life. If the other person dies as a result of using lawful defense, then that is a tragedy but the goal of self-defense is to stop the threat, not to kill. If I can stop a violent aggressor without using potentially lethal force, I would. If potentially lethal force happens to be the only or option available to me at that time, that is what will be used. Not all gun shots are fatal and some 'less-than-lethal' options end up being fatal. If you don't agree that individuals have the right to defend themselves, I don't really know what to tell you except I would hate to live in your imagined society where aggressors have the upper-hand because no one is legally allowed to use force against them because it might end up being lethal.

Quote : and those who celebrate a life ended in a way i don't see as justifiable is offensive to me. in fact, i'd say the very purpose of this thread was to offend those who are advocating for less gun violence.

I gave you a chance. I am MAing this post. NO ONE is celebrating. Stop trolling.

Quote from darkfrog : To be clear however, the justification is to defend oneself, not to end the other person's life.

"Could have just wounded him" comments in 3.. 2.. 1..

Quote from MISHNAH : And you would be perfectly fine and in agreement to lose your life for a $12k car or just standing on the street minding your own business?

Come on thikthird, I'd like to hear your opinion on this, buddy.

Quote from darkfrog : NO ONE is celebrating.

What about those that he would have robbed and possibly killed after this robbery attempt?

Quote from 124nic8 : Score one more pro-gun thread. Why does every "successful" use of a gun for defense deserve a new thread?

Because the liar gun grabbing lefty media never cover these stories but cover every bad incident with a gun.

The liars gun grabbers also who have zero factual evidence but every time a gun argument comes up, especially regarding conceal carry laws, they claim that we are going to have a bunch of itchy trigger finger gun nuts running around like Yosemite Sam shooting everyone every time any little incident happens. And yet every single last time we have turned a state into a shall issue conceal carry state this doesn't happen, crime goes down and more people live in safety from criminals.