Gun Incident Mega Thread - Post All Gun Incidents Here

Quote from 124nic8 : Score one more pro-gun thread. Why does every "successful" use of a gun for defense deserve a new thread?

Quote from Deusxmachina : I am under the impression by the media and by people who hate the Bill of Rights that such self-defense gun uses are a rarity. So each and every one is newsworthy and deserving of its own thread.

In that case every tragic shooting that takes an innocent life demands its own thread.

I tried but the Mod deleted it. So much for giving equal time to each side of the debate.

http://www.local8now.com/news/hea...90281.html

Quote from Deusxmachina : I am under the impression by the media and by people who hate the Bill of Rights that such self-defense gun uses are a rarity. So each and every one is newsworthy and deserving of its own thread.

This is a much more common scenario for the use of "home defense:" weapons. They're very lucky that the perp was just whacked out of his mind and had no murderous intention. Given the fact that he had the tactical advantage (ie surprise), he could easily have wrestled the gun from the woman and blown her head off, then finished off her loving husband. I guess shooting at a real live intruder isn't as easy as shooting at one of those NRA paper targets with a menacing shadow outline on it, huh?

No amount of firearms training can overcome the fact that the intruder always has the supreme tactical advantage of surprise. This is why there are just three primary uses for "home defense" firearms:

1. Family member uses "home defense" firearm to murder other family member
2. Family member uses "home defense" firearm to commit suicide
3. Intruder surprises sleeping family and uses "home defense" firearm to murder them

Quote : The victims told the Lee County Sheriff’s Office they were inside around 6:50 p.m. when they heard noises on the roof. They went outside and saw a naked man, later identified as Bruni, on the roof, according to a Lee County Sheriff’s Office report. They said the man then jumped off the roof and onto one of the victims, knocking him down. The man then ran into their home and pulled a 72-inch television off a living room wall, breaking it. The victim told investigators he yelled for his wife to get a gun as Bruni continued to thrash around the house, knocking over a wet/dry vacuum and spilling its contents on the floor. The wife fired three shots from a .38 caliber revolver at Bruni but missed and hit a wall. Bruni then fell to the ground and began masturbating in the living room before he ran into the victims’ son’s bedroom and began rubbing his face with clothing, according to the report. The male victim retrieved his shotgun from the master bedroom, but never fired at Bruni.

http://www.news-press.com/article...ck_check=1

Quote from RHCCapri : In that case every tragic shooting that takes an innocent life demands its own thread. I tried but the Mod deleted it. So much for giving equal time to each side of the debate. http://www.local8now.com/news/hea...90281.html

Am I the only one that sees a giant green "gun show" ad below the kid's photo? I know - it's the clever ad trackers that do this.....

Unanswered question - how did he get the gun?

This is akin to accidental poisoning, which is much more prevalent however.

Quote from gunnerusa : This is a much more common scenario...

Sure, if it makes you happy.

Quote from Dr. J : Am I the only one that sees a giant green "gun show" ad below the kid's photo? I know - it's the clever ad trackers that do this..... Unanswered question - how did he get the gun? This is akin to accidental poisoning, which is much more prevalent however.

I don't see the "gun show" ad, must be you.

Access to the gun never seems to be a question in those "11 year old Montana girl kills two illegal aliens home invaders with her shotgun" stories that keep going around. My son has several teenage friends who are allowed to keep their own long guns unsecured in their bedrooms, because that is the "gun culture" we live in.

Latest addition to the story http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2013...killed-in/

Quote from RHCCapri : In that case every tragic shooting that takes an innocent life demands its own thread.

No, because everyone already knows guns are used to kill people. So that's not news. What is news is a gun being used to save lives, since apparently according to the media such a thing rarely happens.

I don't even know why law enforcement carries guns since according to the media guns aren't good for protecting good people from bad people except in very rare instances.

Quote from gunnerusa : No amount of firearms training can overcome the fact that the intruder always has the supreme tactical advantage of surprise.

And that's why "high-capacity" mags are far more important to law-abiding people than they are to criminal people. If someone breaks into your home at 2 a.m. wanting to kill your spouse and kids, you're going to grab what you can. You're not going to have time to put on your tactical vest with tactical pocket placement and extra mags like the bad guy already did an hour ago.

High-capacity mags save lives.

Quote from Deusxmachina : If someone breaks into your home at 2 a.m. wanting to kill your spouse and kids

If someone breaks in at 2 am with the intention of killing you, you're dead before you have a chance to even wake up. That's what's called....wait for it....tactical advantage.

Quote from gunnerusa : If someone breaks in at 2 am with the intention of killing you, you're dead before you have a chance to even wake up. That's what's called....wait for it....tactical advantage.

Documentation? I mean since you have on occasion been wrong I think some source would be useful.

Quote from RHCCapri : I don't see the "gun show" ad, must be you. Access to the gun never seems to be a question in those "11 year old Montana girl kills two illegal aliens home invaders with her shotgun" stories that keep going around. My son has several teenage friends who are allowed to keep their own long guns unsecured in their bedrooms, because that is the "gun culture" we live in. Latest addition to the story http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2013...killed-in/

I meant when I go to the link...


Anyway, we do have an issue in this country with gun education - something schools do not teach. The NRA does spend quite a bit of money in education efforts, but for "little ones", it's a group thing (e.g. a school would have to sponsor it, Eddie Eagle [nra.org]). Kids should not fear guns but should respect them.

7 dead, 6 wounded in Chicago weekend violence [usatoday.com]

CHICAGO (AP) — Chicago authorities say seven people were killed and six wounded in gun violence in one day

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That gun control is working out great.....

RHCCapri does appreciate gun education and I think that is very respectable. Many who are anti-gun or calling for AWB/magazine limits are very clueless about the arms in question. I don't think RHCCapri is in that boat based on things she said a while ago.

I am just looking for a balance between the right to keep & bear and public safety. A balance between access to your weapons in the home and the need to secure them against misuse.

In my opinion keeping a gun unlocked on a gun rack or in a glass gun case with ammo boxes on top is not responsible.

As I stated before, my Father-in-law, a Vietnam war vet who I trust to teach my kids gun safety, had four guns including an "assault rifle" stolen from his house last summer when he took the kids to the races in Tacoma. That is why I say "lock them up".

I will share another story he told us about growing up in a small town in the 1960's. He, his brother and a friend where home alone from school one afternoon and were looking at his fathers shotgun which was kept in the corner of the master bedroom. Now these were kids that had gone hunting since they were five, not city kids, and were taught gun safety. My Father-in-law was just handed the gun by his brother as their friend walked infront of the barrel. As he attempted to get a better grip on the large shotgun is finger accidentally hit the trigger and it went off. Luckily their friend was no longer directly infront of the weapon and the shot went straight out a window, breaking the glass, but not damaging the wall or frame! After recovering their wits, they went out side and threw some of the glass back in the window along with a large rock. Their mother never knew until he told the story a few Christmases ago. That is why I say "lock them up".

Quote from RHCCapri : I am just looking for a balance between the right to keep & bear and public safety. A balance between access to your weapons in the home and the need to secure them against misuse. In my opinion keeping a gun unlocked on a gun rack or in a glass gun case with ammo boxes on top is not responsible. As I stated before, my Father-in-law, a Vietnam war vet who I trust to teach my kids gun safety, had four guns including an "assault rifle" stolen from his house last summer when he took the kids to the races in Tacoma. That is why I say "lock them up". I will share another story he told us about growing up in a small town in the 1960's. He, his brother and a friend where home alone from school one afternoon and were looking at his fathers shotgun which was kept in the corner of the master bedroom. Now these were kids that had gone hunting since they were five, not city kids, and were taught gun safety. My Father-in-law was just handed the gun by his brother as their friend walked infront of the barrel. As he attempted to get a better grip on the large shotgun is finger accidentally hit the trigger and it went off. Luckily their friend was no longer directly infront of the weapon and the shot went straight out a window, breaking the glass, but not damaging the wall or frame! After recovering their wits, they went out side and threw some of the glass back in the window along with a large rock. Their mother never knew until he told the story a few Christmases ago. That is why I say "lock them up".

I agree however I don't see accidental shootings as substantiation for bans - it's like banning dishwashing detergent because some kid ate it and died.

Quote from Dr. J : I agree however I don't see accidental shootings as substantiation for bans - it's like banning dishwashing detergent because some kid ate it and died.

I am not talking about bans, but keeping your guns locked and on "Amber" Status (no round chambered).

If your toddler came over to play with my toddler, wouldn't you expect that I would have those dishwashing detergent packets that look like candy secured behind a child-locked cabinet?

If my teenager and his friends came over to play with your teenager, I would you expect that you would have your guns locked up, because as we all know most teenagers are curious/stupid/impulsive/angsty and "stuff" happens.