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Pioneer Home Theater Speakers, great prices @ TigerDirect - SP-BS22-LR $90/pair, SP-C22 Center $70, SW-8MK2 $90, SP-FS52 $100

hikingmike 85 January 24, 2013 at 10:53 AM in Home & Home Improvement (10) More TigerDirect Deals
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Well-reviewed Andrew Jones designed Pioneer home theater speakers for great price at TigerDirect.

I have seen several threads about a couple of the speakers but I decided to put them together in one thread. These prices are as good as I have seen in current searches and better than even the previous models that are still out there. They may not be as good as the deals in the fall when they cleared out the old models though. It's just the best I see right now by far. For those not familiar, I'd say these are a very high end budget line if that makes sense. Way better than the tiny speakers you usually see in packaged home theater systems but not pro speakers.

TigerDirect links:

Bookshelf pair SP-BS22-LR [tigerdirect.com] $90
Center SP-C22 [tigerdirect.com] $70
Subwoofer SW-8MK2 [tigerdirect.com] $90
Floorstanding (tall) SP-FS52 [tigerdirect.com] $100
I had to login and go to checkout to see the prices. My checkout image: http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5629/tigerdirect2.png

Amazon links:
Bookshelf SP-BS22 - http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-...372&sr=1-4
Subwoofer SW-8MK2 - http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SW-...372&sr=1-2
Center SP-C22 - http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-...372&sr=1-3
Floorstanding (tall) SP-FS52 - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/...slickdeals

Best Buy has the bookshelves at $40 higher, the center at $30 higher, the subwoofer at $70 higher, and the floors at $25 higher!

By the way, newegg had some good deals on Pioneer home theater speakers lately but they no longer carry them (previous models discontinued and new models not carried).

You can still see all the old models along with the new at Pioneer's site - http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Speakers/Home+Theater+Speakers
Old model......New model
SP-BS21-LR...SP-BS22-LR
SP-C21..........SP-C22
SW-8.............SW-8MK2

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I got the floorstanding speakers and I love them. I had BB match the TD price so I could use a GC.
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hmmm... that does sound like a dumb move Mad camel camel camel had it for $60 back in november. I just picked up 2 FS52's and they say you should always match your front 3 speakers? Just not sure if $70 is a good price to bite at, I have that $5 bb rz credit they sent in the mail and a bunch of BB gift cards. Suggestions please ty!
According to avsforums, the decision for downsizing was because some consumers complained about the actual size of the center speaker itself. See following post: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1278774...t_22248083

For a more technical explanation, see Andrew Jones' reply: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1278774...t_22245864

IMHO, I'm not a pure audiophile and perhaps my purchase at this price range might show this. I don't think I'd be able to tell the difference between the 22 and 21 with my knowledge. I think since I chose to purchase the 52s already I simply wanted a matching center right then and there, so I went and got the 22 for convenience. Sure I could spend more time trying to hunt down the 21 but to me it wasn't worth the extra hassle. (Might not be a hassle for others, of course!)
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Just a heads up for those thinking the reviews from the previous set automatically apply. The center channel on the new set has smaller speakers, and many are saying the results are not nearly as good. Still, this is an OK price, if not a fantastic price.

I have the FS51s and C21 in my home theater. They are amazing.
Thanks, good info. They went from two 5.25" in the C21 center to two 4" in the C22. That is still a very solid center speaker ("sound bar" anyone?). For the bookshelves, the BS21 and BS22 both had the 4" woofer by the way. The BS41 had the bigger 5.25" one though. I have seen reviews go both ways on which set is better.

I actually like the look of the new mesh cover on the new ones over the regular grille (or bare speaker), but really no big deal. I couldn't tell you if the mesh cover has a plastic grille behind it for strength or not. Anybody?
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I started with just two Pioneer bookshelfs, but they didn't sound 'full' enough. I followed them up with a Pioneer center channel speaker and that smoothed out the sound, significantly. I wasn't completely satisfied until I got the Pioneer 8" woofer; then, all was well in the world.
I do not have the floor space for the floorstanding speakers.
Small room and gobs of sound
All first gen from Newegg, when on sale.

Hope that helps someone.
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You can find the old models at Amazon also.

And here are the bookshelf SP-BS21-LRs at OutletPC for $80 (FS over $100) -
http://www.outletpc.com/tc6519.html
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Quote from SooperSooper View Post :
According to avsforums, the decision for downsizing was because some consumers complained about the actual size of the center speaker itself. See following post: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1278774...t_22248083

For a more technical explanation, see Andrew Jones' reply: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1278774...t_22245864
Awesome info, thanks for that.

Here is the quote from Andrew Jones:
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"Additionally, most customers need a center channel of limited height. In fact this was one of the reasons we had to reduce the size of the latest center channel...it was deemed "too big", both in width and height."
Also from a different Pioneer guy:
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The complaints came from owners of the c21 center channel, while they liked the sound quality they had a hard time getting it to fit in certain cabinets...

The new C22 center channel is smaller than the 21, however far from dinky. Still bigger than most of the competition at similar price points... With the improved bass drivers in the C22 you can expect to get similar bass response than what was achieved with the C21.. Just in a smaller package.

There are quite a few editors working on reviews now.. We should see them show up soon.....

Chris Walker
Pioneer Electronics
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Other than physical size, what are the differences between these and the old (BS21, FS51, etc) models?
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Absolutely incorrect. The new line is actually a cheapened down version of the previous line.
Mmm, no. They were forced to redesign the speakers to meet formaldehyde content regulations. The cabinents are actually more expensive and of higher quality this time around.

The new line is actually much more focused with each speaker more precisely designed.

First of all, the sensitivity is up across the board, that is the reason for the smaller drivers in the center. With the increased sensitivity and the completely redesigned driver the 5.25 didn't make sense.

Also, the center sold badly because of the size.

The BS41 was discontinued because it is too much like the tower. Jones said he could make the tower better if he didn't have to worry about using the driver elsewhere.

The 5.25 driver actually has a better range this time, partially because of better sensitivity, but also because he was able to rebuild it as a tower driver.

Last time the BS21 was actually designed as a 2.0 stereo set. This time it takes the place of the BS41 which was designed for a 5.1 setup.

The biggest criticisms of the last series had to do with the center being too big and the grills not being removable. The changes this time are in line with user/reviewer wishes.
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How do those bookshelf speakers compare to the Polk Monitor 30's? I've been wanting to get the Polks for a while...
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I picked up 4 bs21, 2fs21, cs21 and PS8 on clearance at awesome price $250 last month, so it would not be worth it to trade out. But I did look at a lot of the reviews and the old 5.1 setup bought together was rated the best set in the price range to $600 ahead of energy 5.1.

The reviews I read about the newer series were in general they tweaked the crossover points and changed the wood material a bit. The FS22 is bigger. The bookshelves sound a bit to somewhat better, the center channel was a step back, and the new sub there is hardly any difference.

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Don't know about the center channel specifically, but most of the reviews suggest the updated model bookshelf speakers and floor towers are improved.
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Mmm, no. They were forced to redesign the speakers to meet formaldehyde content regulations. The cabinents are actually more expensive and of higher quality this time around.

The new line is actually much more focused with each speaker more precisely designed.

First of all, the sensitivity is up across the board, that is the reason for the smaller drivers in the center. With the increased sensitivity and the completely redesigned driver the 5.25 didn't make sense.

Also, the center sold badly because of the size.

The BS41 was discontinued because it is too much like the tower. Jones said he could make the tower better if he didn't have to worry about using the driver elsewhere.

The 5.25 driver actually has a better range this time, partially because of better sensitivity, but also because he was able to rebuild it as a tower driver.

Last time the BS21 was actually designed as a 2.0 stereo set. This time it takes the place of the BS41 which was designed for a 5.1 setup.

The biggest criticisms of the last series had to do with the center being too big and the grills not being removable. The changes this time are in line with user/reviewer wishes.
+1 to correcting misinformation. The BS-22 now has the same bass response and sensitivity as the BS-41, but with a smaller driver.
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Mmm, no. They were forced to redesign the speakers to meet formaldehyde content regulations. The cabinents are actually more expensive and of higher quality this time around.

The new line is actually much more focused with each speaker more precisely designed.

First of all, the sensitivity is up across the board, that is the reason for the smaller drivers in the center. With the increased sensitivity and the completely redesigned driver the 5.25 didn't make sense.

Also, the center sold badly because of the size.

The BS41 was discontinued because it is too much like the tower. Jones said he could make the tower better if he didn't have to worry about using the driver elsewhere.

The 5.25 driver actually has a better range this time, partially because of better sensitivity, but also because he was able to rebuild it as a tower driver.

Last time the BS21 was actually designed as a 2.0 stereo set. This time it takes the place of the BS41 which was designed for a 5.1 setup.

The biggest criticisms of the last series had to do with the center being too big and the grills not being removable. The changes this time are in line with user/reviewer wishes.
Absolute nonsense. I guess Polk is stupid for making the Monitor 30 and 40 bookshelf with the same size woofer as the 50 and 60 towers? Bottom line is they cheapened up the new series and took away the larger bookshelf option. Sensitivity of the towers are still 87db, like the old towers.Spin it any way you want. If I could choose the old models or the new models, I would choose the old models in a heartbeat. I've auditioned the new towers at BB and they didn't sound any better to me. Plus the speaker grills were busted up on the display speakers due to the cheap grilles. They look VERY cheap.

New center is rated to 90w. Old center is rated to 130w.
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Another bad thing with this new line is removing the larger bookshelf speakers takes away a good option for somebody who doesn't want or have room for the towers. I'm certainly not going to run 4" woofer bookshelf speakers as mains. The old center was also a good option for middle range mains....not small, but not full floorstanding. I ran two C21's as mains for a while and they did a good job. Also ran them later as surrounds.I would love to hear an independent test show the C22 has just as good a response as the C21. That would be truly amazing if that's the case. Believing what somebody who works for Pioneer says....well that's unbelievable.

If they really wanted to make these better, perhaps they should have made them 8ohm and not so power hungry. It wasn't about making them better, however.
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I have the B21's for my front and rears and the C21 as my center in my small 10 x 10 TV room. I really like the setup. I know a lot of people had issues with the C21 because of size, hence why they probably made the next C22 smaller. I personally had no issues with the C21 being too big. Matter of fact, when I took it out of the box I thought it was kind of small. I guess perception is reality.
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