Gun buybacks

Quote from Dumpsterdiver : snicker.

Quote from MISHNAH : "I dont know much about this gun, but I have a buddy I can call in to look at it" haha

What are you two on about? Is there anything strange about the proposition of inspecting the guns for basic functionality?

Quote from skiman : What are you two on about? Is there anything strange about the proposition of inspecting the guns for basic functionality?

Have you perhaps heard of Pawn Stars? The show where the main characters always "know a guy" who knows more than them that they call in to authenticate products?

Quote from MISHNAH : Have you perhaps heard of Pawn Stars? The show where the main characters always "know a guy" who knows more than them that they call in to authenticate products?

Ohisee.

Quote from skiman : Problem solved by buying back working guns, no?

Assuming that's what you get but to a large extent it isn't. What you get that is "working," usually with a fairly wide definition, typically aren't the kinds of guns that people who commit crimes want. And, as noted in the NAS piece, they can be somewhat picky given that there's no real shortage of guns forcing them to have to break in to steal a crappy old Montgomery Wards shotgun from Aunt Millie's closet.

Bottom line, these deals are mostly PR campaigns more than anything else. The police and local politicians get to put a bunch of guns on a table and talk about how they're doing something about gun crime. The press gets something they can write about and some eye-catching pics of a pile of guns. The average suburban Joe and Mary see it on the 6:00 news and say great job keeping all of those evil guns off of the street. The reality is that an insignificantly small number would ever end up there anyway.

Quote from Mike A. : Assuming that's what you get but to a large extent it isn't. What you get that is "working," usually with a fairly wide definition, typically aren't the kinds of guns that people who commit crimes want. And, as noted in the NAS piece, they can be somewhat picky given that there's no real shortage of guns forcing them to have to break in to steal a crappy old Montgomery Wards shotgun from Aunt Millie's closet.

There is no shortage of guns, even with X off the street through buyback, but that doesn't mean that buybacks aren't helpful. It may simply mean that there aren't enough buybacks. Bailing out a leaky boat with a thimble doesn't make much difference, but it's not because the premise of bailing is flawed.

Quote from skiman : There is no shortage of guns, even with X off the street through buyback, but that doesn't mean that buybacks aren't helpful. It may simply mean that there aren't enough buybacks. Bailing out a leaky boat with a thimble doesn't make much difference, but it's not because the premise of bailing is flawed.

But you still sink. ; )

Quote from Mike A. : But you still sink. ; )

You can bail out with a thimble or a bucket all you want, it only takes 1 container of weapons getting through a port to overcome a years' worth of buybacks. Or porous borders dont help either.

The water (criminals) will always find the path of least resistance.

Quote from skiman : What are you two on about? Is there anything strange about the proposition of inspecting the guns for basic functionality?

I can take a pile of worn out parts and make a looking working gun. Depending, it would not fire or blow up. They sure aren't going to pull all the parts apart with a line of 200+ people out the door.

So much for your 'only working guns' buyback, but keep dreaming of all the good these do. That's all they're about. Feeling good, pats on the back, and photo ops.

Quote from skiman : There is no shortage of guns, even with X off the street through buyback, but that doesn't mean that buybacks aren't helpful. It may simply mean that there aren't enough buybacks. Bailing out a leaky boat with a thimble doesn't make much difference, but it's not because the premise of bailing is flawed.

So in this failed analogy, the filling boat is the criminal gun supply.

In this case where the buy backs are bailing from is the ocean, not from inside the boat, so you might as well not even.

Why are neo-cons afraid of gun buybacks?
They don't hurt you at all. They serve a need.
People have weapons in their homes that they no longer want and that they are more comfortable having destroyed rather than in circulation. It's their choice. Nobody is forcing them.

Quote from VaporTrailer : Why are neo-cons afraid of gun buybacks? They don't hurt you at all. They serve a need. People have weapons in their homes that they no longer want and that they are more comfortable having destroyed rather than in circulation. It's their choice. Nobody is forcing them.

Who says they're afraid of gun buy backs?

The problem is they are not advertising this as "200 guns were cleaned out of attics". Gun buy backs are always a political "we have taken xxx guns -off- -the- -streets-". They even pile weapons on the tables they did not collect in the buy back.

Even worse is here's $200 for your late husband's $1200 rifle. People offering those individuals closer to the gun's value are chased away by police. I will always stand against organizations taking advantage of people's ignorance.

But just how much lying should we put up with?

Quote from Dumpsterdiver : Who says they're afraid of gun buy backs? The problem is they are not advertising this as "200 guns were cleaned out of attics". Gun buy backs are always a political "we have taken xxx guns -off- -the- -streets-". They even pile weapons on the tables they did not collect in the buy back. Even worse is here's $200 for your late husband's $1200 rifle. People offering those individuals closer to the gun's value are chased away by police. I will always stand against organizations taking advantage of people's ignorance. But just how much lying should we put up with?

Nobody is lying.
The people who participate in the buybacks are well aware of the options and they CHOOSE to have the unwanted firearms destroyed by the police rather than have them remain in circulation. It's their choice.

Quote from VaporTrailer : Nobody is lying. The people who participate in the buybacks are well aware of the options and they CHOOSE to have the unwanted firearms destroyed by the police rather than have them remain in circulation. It's their choice.

Keep telling yourself that.

When we offer them more for their guns, they sell them to us.

LYING

Quote from Dumpsterdiver : Keep telling yourself that. When we offer them more for their guns, they sell them to us. LYING

You're wrong.
There are plenty of people out there who simply are not comfortable selling their firearms when there are no background checks in place... or they simply prefer to have them destroyed and out of circulation.

You can spin it any way you want, but you're incorrect.

Quote from skiman : AFAIK, they didn't pay for the launcher tubes. I believe that the weapons had to be functional to receive a gift card.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/...k-20130122

Quote : More than an hour before the buyback was scheduled to start, 15 cars waited. By 5 p.m., deputies had collected 386 weapons, including 193 rifles, 144 handguns and 22 assault rifles. Those who turned in the weapons left with $50 in gift cards in exchange for gun parts and non-working guns; $100 for handguns, shotguns and rifles; and up to $200 for assault weapons.

All depends were.. it varies. But they almost always take non working weapons for some amount. Local politicians want some pictures a headline etc.. They don't want a story about getting 15 working guns.. they want a story about 100's of guns being collected (with no mention of functionality).

just look at the best picture they could come up with..



I see a whole pile of rusty crappy riles. I can only imagine what pieces of crap these are.. This was already mentioned, but the people selling these are obviously doing so because the gun isn't worth the amount of the GC. If it makes people sleep better at night to buy broken guns though.. so be it.