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Yes, if someone disagrees with you, he's a troll. Always. I already said keyboard/mouse have their place. You didn't address my game list, - some huge titles which are nigh unplayable without a controller.

It makes me laugh: if a game sucks with the keyboard/mouse, it's the game's fault, right? Ridiculous argument.

I just get tired of people complaining about game controls. Get a gamepad. End of story.

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Quote from WilliamG : Yes, if someone disagrees with you, he's a troll. Always. I already said keyboard/mouse have their place. You didn't address my game list, - some huge titles which are nigh unplayable without a controller. It makes me laugh: if a game sucks with the keyboard/mouse, it's the game's fault, right? Ridiculous argument. I just get tired of people complaining about game controls. Get a gamepad. End of story.

If someone tries to assert that his opinions are facts to incite anger then clearly he is a troll. The nature of your initial statement which you insisted was to gather attention was more than enough support for it. It is becoming meta that every time someone insist that another poster is a troll then that poster refutes using that archetypal statement you used. An simple acid test to see if you are really a troll would be just to see what the reaction people had to your post. If it is filled with explosive and cyclic content then it would imply how flammable your own post was. It is obvious that the nature of your post are aimed to be offensive when you attacked on a constructive post made by xdbx which saved a bunch of people a lot of trouble since they probably already have a console system and probably would be opt to play on that system if there was a necessity to patch and obtain extra hardware. Of course even a troll has a point to made, so getting back at the discussion...

@Your list: I would not say that they are impossible to play with a keyboard and mouse, however, I do not disagree with that the the experience would be better with a console controller because these are console games designed with a console controller in mind. I never asserted any input system is innately better than another as opposed to what is implied by you. You seem to make the argument that since games are often designed with the console controller in mind that it should be a requirement for any PC gamer to buy a console controller. You also implied because of this trend, console controllers provides for a better gaming experience and that game designer should always design with a console controller setting in mind unless the gaming genre specified. These couple points are absurd.

Back to something constructive.
It is the game's fault. If it is a PC port then you should be able to play it with the normalized PC set up. If you expect the customer to also buy a controller then you are doing it wrong. If you are so incompetent as a programmer that you can't even port the controls into a PC control setting then don't make a PC port. You don't deserve our money. If I buy something and the cover did not have a big label saying "BUY A GAMEPAD NOW" and I found that it has a horrible control system then I deserve to complain. If the product sucks and did not live up to its expectation then I have a right to complain. If you are sick of my complains then skip over them, not attack them. As a programmer myself, I am conformed to the hardware. It is not the hardware that conforms to me. If you engineered something that doesn't work well with the expected hardware then that is poor design. A game console controller should not be part of what is defined as a "expected hardware" for a PC gaming system. This is probably the core to your whole argument, which is immensely absurd in sense of designing principles.
As to the other statement, refer to the initial post I made.

I am also sick of meta-ranting. Ranting about other people ranting is surely productive. //Recursion - Stack overflows// My biggest problem is that you made an nonconstructive post attacking a constructive post by saying how nonconstructive everyone was being. He basically told us that we need a gamepad to play this game which the developer never made an effort to do. The rest of your points about design principle I can swallow but the irony is just ridiculous.

Oh come on. My initial statement was off the wall/cuff. It is NOT the game's fault if YOU can't play it with a keyboard/mouse. It's that simple. How is it the game's fault if there are too many keys etc to do something? Should the game have simply not been released? Is that what you're saying? Does every flight sim suck because playing with a keyboard/mouse is hard?

Now, I'm not saying you don't have the right to complain, in the same way that I have the right to tell you to buy a gamepad. Next you'll be telling me that you can play iRacing or GTR with a keyboard and mouse since it does support them, and that every PC game should be playable with a keyboard/mouse.

We live in a console world, even on the PC. It IS absolute fact that you need a gamepad to ENJOY a lot of games properly. Every major reviewer has said that about many games. Dark Souls PC is excellent with a gamepad, and bloody awful with a kb/mouse. It's time to get used to it.

Quote from WilliamG : We live in a console world, even on the PC.

League of Legends, DoTa, WoW, FPS, RTS. Far exceeds any and all 3rd-person, racing, fighting games.

Quote from GwarRiff : League of Legends, DoTa, WoW, FPS, RTS. Far exceeds any and all 3rd-person, racing, fighting games.

I think you'll find that console games outsell PC games. It's a console world. WoW memberships drop each month etc etc. Not to say that PC games have no place, but it is in fact a console world out there.

Quote from WilliamG : I think you'll find that console games outsell PC games. It's a console world. WoW memberships drop each month etc etc. Not to say that PC games have no place, but it is in fact a console world out there.

If your only perspective of the world is the US and parts of Europe.