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Quote from D6E : Are you ****ing kidding me right now? Sega All Star Racing? You sound like a real gamer

Do tell, what constitutes a "real gamer" other than someone that enjoys playing games?

Quote from D6E : Please tell us non-experts the secret, Master of the Wii U architecture. Why the **** aren't there any AAA games if that is the case? Do you know better than developers who have actually made games? How many titles have you launched?

Good question. What is an "AAA" game to you? How many titles have you launched?

so is this deal dead?

Also, I own a PS3, Xbox 360, a Wii, and gaming PC. The PC by FAR gets more usage than the other 3 combined. If a game comes out on PC and console I get it on PC. It's just superior in every farking way and you're just too poor to experience that if you disagree

Quote from triffid_98 : Edit: And I probably shouldn't bring up the fact damn near every pc gamer has had to replace their $300 graphics card to run next year's AAA game. I've certinly had pc components 'go bad' in the last decade. if you're using a 5 year old drive you are living on borrowed time.

You are right, you shouldn't. Because due to console gaming that isn't the case anymore. Since game designers have to make games for multiple systems anymore they have to go to the lowest common denominator, which is the console market. The game is set on stagnant hardware that doesn't get updated and therefore they don't push the boundaries requiring new video cards every few years anymore.

Yes, my $1500 computer cost more than a console. However, I use it for more than my console will do as well. If all you do is get on facebook and look at pictures of cats then you probably don't need more than a cheap tablet. If you console game exclusively, feel free. For myself, I have been buying fewer console games overall (except Wii games amusingly now that I think about it) because most of the single player games I play can be done just as well if not better on my computer and through Steam without paying any online surcharge like a Live or Sony network subscription and I tend to get games cheaper and can play them anywhere with controls I like.

Components need replaced. Yup, you are correct. That includes consoles. How old is the console you use most for those AAA games that you like touting about?

Quote from narek23 : so is this deal dead?

Yup. Deal is dead.

Quote from Seltzer : <snip> Yes, my $1500 computer cost more than a console. <snip> Components need replaced. Yup, you are correct. That includes consoles. How old is the console you use most for those AAA games that you like touting about?

So you're saying that you'd like to criticize consoles for breaking but PC components breaking is normal and expected? Oh, and also that PC gaming is far superior but current games are geared for consoles which the PC games are simple ports of

...um...wow. holy circular reasoning batman...and also off-topic

Quote from Seltzer : Do tell, what constitutes a "real gamer" other than someone that enjoys playing games? Someone that isn't trying to suggest a console is doing well because of how awesome a SEGA All Stars Racing may/may not be. You've missed the point everyone is trying to make. Good question. What is an "AAA" game to you? How many titles have you launched?

Maybe do some research about AAA games and figure it out for yourself? I've launched (2) games total. Wii + DS. This post isn't about me though. Try again.

Quote from Genius4sho : lol, are you talking about homebrew? Of course Nintendo would "mess" that up! God knows how much money they lose when people do it. I've had a Wii U since launch and it is worth the money in my opinion. It has a lot of apps like Netflix and Amazon video, etc. Some of the games are really fun like NintendoLand. If you have a bunch of friends over it can be such a blast. Or if you have children I'm sure you'd have a really fun time with them. They released NintendoTVii but I really haven't had the time to use it. I think its an awesome idea. Tivo support is coming in February, so if you have a DVR its another reason to have a Wii U. I can't tell you how awesome it is to be able to play a video game on your controller and have your sports game of choice on the TV and while people are watching the sports game, someone says: "Hey, can you change the channel".... and you are able to do it in a split second on your Wii U controller in mid game. Its so awesome that the controller is also a universal remote. You have to pay over $200 from Logitech to get a touch screen universal remote with a screen that size. During commercial breaks you can put your game on the big screen for people to watch... or they could join in. The whole idea is really cool, I hope Nintendo can keep on expanding on this idea and give the Wii tablet controller even more functionality because if they do it is so much more than a video game console.

The folks that I speak with (mainly families) aren't buying it. It's overpriced and underpowered. How could they think they could release it with just a few games and a hope that more would come out in 2013.

The system is woefully slow and if you were stupid enough to get a regular version the first out of the box system update filled almost all your memory.

Nintendo screwed the pooch IMO on the release - they wanted it before Christmas but the software and games weren't ready.

Quote from bc_boston : The folks that I speak with (mainly families) aren't buying it. It's overpriced and underpowered. How could they think they could release it with just a few games and a hope that more would come out in 2013. The system is woefully slow and if you were stupid enough to get a regular version the first out of the box system update filled almost all your memory. Nintendo screwed the pooch IMO on the release - they wanted it before Christmas but the software and games weren't ready.

Underpowered in what way? Do graphics have to be a certain caliber to have a fun gaming system? The Wii proved it didn't matter... look at the sales comparison with the Wii, PS3, Xbox 360. Unless you plan on downloading a lot of games, the Wii U basic will be good for most people. You can hook an AC powered external hard drive to the system and you will have much more room than even the Deluxe has if you needed to (because the hard drive can be over 1TB).

I'll admit the games weren't that great at launch but I think NintendoLand is very fun (it came with my Deluxe edition) and the New Mario game gets rave reviews. If you are buying a Nintendo system you are most likely buying it for Mario and those sort of games with Nostalgia.

Quote from bc_boston : The folks that I speak with (mainly families) aren't buying it. It's overpriced and underpowered. How could they think they could release it with just a few games and a hope that more would come out in 2013. The system is woefully slow and if you were stupid enough to get a regular version the first out of the box system update filled almost all your memory. Nintendo screwed the pooch IMO on the release - they wanted it before Christmas but the software and games weren't ready.

this thread has been interesting to keep up with just to see those anti-nintendo guys complain about every little thing. all i keep hearing is waah waaah waaaah

if they made the wii U more powerful, then the cost would be higher. and you guys are already complaining about the price point at $350. then you guys go on to praise the next xbox or playstation, which makes no sense because those systems will cost $500 - $800 or more! not to mention, we dont even have much information about those systems. as for the games, any launch on any console wont be too great. the ps3 and xbox360 launches were even worse.

honestly, it seems like some of these anti-nintendo guys are the most immature people out there. if you dont like nintendo, thats fine, but theres no reason to spout hate everywhere.

Quote from D6E : Maybe do some research about AAA games and figure it out for yourself? I've launched (2) games total. Wii + DS. This post isn't about me though. Try again.

Ahh, but that's my whole point. The "top AAA++++ super Xcellent" games for you may not even register on my list of games I want to play. Much like it sounds you may not think the same of my favorite games. No need to mock what we do not understand. Just realize that everyone has different preferences and opinions.

Quote from triffid_98 : So you're saying that you'd like to criticize consoles for breaking but PC components breaking is normal and expected? Oh, and also that PC gaming is far superior but current games are geared for consoles which the PC games are simple ports of ...um...wow. holy circular reasoning batman...and also off-topic

Not at all. I'm just being all inclusive where you were only criticizing one.
Also, I didn't state either was superior. I merely stated a fact of why there is no longer the arms race that there once was in computer builds.
I also stated "from my experience" as how things have worked out in my life. I made no assumptions about what would work best for other people nor did I direct anyone to change what they are doing based on my preference.

Thanks for playing.

Quote from Seltzer : I unfortunately had the same issue regarding the HDMI so I ended up getting an HDMI switch from Monoprice so I could have the 360 and WiiU hooked up at the same time. The WiiU doesn't take up much shelf space at least but none is still none. As for getting rid of Cable, have you tried PlayOn? In theory you can do your sports watching there.. I don't watch sports so I haven't tried those functions myself and just use the media server functions. http://www.playon.tv/

Haha, yeah I've actually been using PlayOn with my PS3 for a few years. The main thing I was using it for was to stream ESPN3 to my PS3. But I still have to have a cable subscription to have access to ESPN3. Now I mostly just beam games from the Watch ESPN app to my Apple TV.

And I'm kind of anal about my home theater...I hate having switches around, I used to have an RCA switch when I had my PS2, Gamecube, Wii, and DVD player and I would now rather just use my receiver to do all my switching. Plus I really honestly am out of shelf space. I have an old Samsung LED projection TV and have to keep my center channel speaker on a shelf on it's own. But anyways, thanks for the suggestions!

Quote from Firebird : this thread has been interesting to keep up with just to see those anti-nintendo guys complain about every little thing. all i keep hearing is waah waaah waaaah if they made the wii U more powerful, then the cost would be higher. and you guys are already complaining about the price point at $350. then you guys go on to praise the next xbox or playstation, which makes no sense because those systems will cost $500 - $800 or more! not to mention, we dont even have much information about those systems. as for the games, any launch on any console wont be too great. the ps3 and xbox360 launches were even worse. honestly, it seems like some of these anti-nintendo guys are the most immature people out there. if you dont like nintendo, thats fine, but theres no reason to spout hate everywhere.

Sorry if you don't like the truth. FWIW I have 2 Wii's, 2 WiiU's, 3 3DS's and a DSi in the house so I am hardly an anti-Nintendo guy.

The WiiU has some serious problems in price, performance and games. Just because one points that out doesn't mean I am anti-Nintendo.

Quote from Genius4sho : Underpowered in what way? Do graphics have to be a certain caliber to have a fun gaming system? The Wii proved it didn't matter... look at the sales comparison with the Wii, PS3, Xbox 360. Unless you plan on downloading a lot of games, the Wii U basic will be good for most people. You can hook an AC powered external hard drive to the system and you will have much more room than even the Deluxe has if you needed to (because the hard drive can be over 1TB). I'll admit the games weren't that great at launch but I think NintendoLand is very fun (it came with my Deluxe edition) and the New Mario game gets rave reviews. If you are buying a Nintendo system you are most likely buying it for Mario and those sort of games with Nostalgia.

If you have used the WiiU you would know that moving from section to section is painfully slow. Absurdly painfully slow. Even Nintendo acknowledges that the system is slow and they are working on fixing it.

As to the WiiU basic - after the first system update to have almost no free memory left for downloading anything isn't very good. That, the slow menu speeds and very few games at launch speaks to a rushed system released before it is ready.

Its great that the system can take a hard disk but it's not exactly a great selling point for the basic - get it cheap and then need a hard disk for the 2nd update.

NintendoLand is great, my kids love it and I even like playing it and the new Mario is fantastic but Nintendo promised games at launch that aren't ready yet. Vaporware didn't go over well in the 80's, 90's, 00's or today.

Quote from bc_boston : Sorry if you don't like the truth. FWIW I have 2 Wii's, 2 WiiU's, 3 3DS's and a DSi in the house so I am hardly an anti-Nintendo guy. The WiiU has some serious problems in price, performance and games. Just because one points that out doesn't mean I am anti-Nintendo.

you called people STUPID for buying the wii u, and then continued to bash the system over and over again. if that isnt hateful, i dont know what is.

you also conveniently skipped my point when you were spouting more of that hate, so ill repost it below. hopefully, you will read to achieve this time.
if they made the wii U more powerful, then the cost would be higher. and you guys are already complaining about the price point at $350. then you guys go on to praise the next xbox or playstation, which makes no sense because those systems will cost $500 - $800 or more! not to mention, we dont even have much information about those systems. as for the games, any launch on any console wont be too great. the ps3 and xbox360 launches were even worse.

as for your other concerns regarding the system space on the basic unit and menu speeds...
i actually like the fact that nintendo gave people the option to choose to have less space. its a cheaper alternative! i dont know about you, but i like choices. most people have an extra USB flash drive, SD card, or external harddrive lying around. the menu/system speed isnt slow or anything. i browse the internet on it all the time and its the same speed as my girlfriend's expensive apple laptop. if the menu speed does bother you, then just wait. nintendo will be increasing it with a system update. theres no need to keep saying its slow.

again, please stop posting all that hate. it doesnt do anyone any good.